So Shyvanna...

Keezer5··2 votes·794 views

I love Shyvanna. One of my favorite junglers. However i noticed that Shyvanna can fit so many roles (tank, assassin, bruiser, whatever the hell you want), but still has a seemingly useless passive in comparison to so many dynamic champions and concepts and reworks. It makes me sad.

Can she have a little love?

What are some ideas you guys have about the matter? Any cool ideas for a better passive?

25 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

shes really good idk what your saying

IcyPepper2 votes

Gonna be honest here, not all champion ultimates, abilities, or passives are amazing. Because of how power budgets work, a champion can't be amazing in every area.

Although, if it's not power you're concerned with and just it feeling awesome, what exactly are you looking for? I figured the spell effect changes in her dragon form more than made up for it, but what kind of thing are you going for? What kind of champions have passives that are more in line with what you're looking for?

Nanuk Pihoqahiak2 votes

Her passive isn't that terrible. By level 6 if you're diving as a dragon, you've doubled her passive into 20 armor and magic resistance. It doesn't sound like a lot, but in conjunction with the new tank masteries it gives her a good cushion of effective health.

It's definitely not an INTERESTING passive, though.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Shyvana is actually in a terrible spot right now.

Nerfed Botrk, no synergy with the current Keystones, absolutely atrocious ultimate (Dragon's Descent)

DreamCrushed1 votes

Rush Sunfire Cape and have better DPS than most other top laners before level 14, Grasp of the Undying is phenomenal and Dragon's Descent gives her bonus armor, magic resist, AoE, and a 200 Magic Damage nuke at level 6.

Or you can just look at facts and see her overall above 50% win rate.

Dominick Destine1 votes

see her overall above 50% win rate.

Thresh and Lee are under 50% win rate. I guess they need buffs, by your logic.

DreamCrushed1 votes

Below doesn't mean weak, but if you are above, then you are not weak. That is basically the only thing that can be told from win rates.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Below doesn't mean weak, but if you are above, then you are not weak.

(Insert clip of Robert Downy Jr. in Tropic Thunder saying the line)

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

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Thresh and Lee are under 50% win rate. I guess they need buffs, by your logic.

They actually need crushing nerfs because of how oppressive their kits are.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

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Shyvana is actually in a terrible spot right now.

Nerfed Botrk, no synergy with the current Keystones, absolutely atrocious ultimate (Dragon's Descent)

I don't think you quite realize that she can proc Fervor of Battle 4 times, and gain 10 stacks of it instantly, by simply going E-AA-Q with Sated Devourer. This doesn't actually surprise me at all given that, just by looking at the runes and masteries you use on her, you have no idea how to play Shyvana. Bonds of stone as your keystone? Legendary Guardian instead of tenacity? 0 AS or cdr runes whatsoever? What champion do you think you're playing?

SithesisLord1 votes

summoner 11 summoner 3 - item 3930 item 3153 item 3124 item 1310 item 3742 item 3065

If you say so.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

That looks fucking metal. I'll have to try it.

SithesisLord1 votes

It´s a pretty good build on the dragon lady. I´m still mostly undecided on what keystone to take however, so sometimes i go TLD, sometimes Fervor of Battle.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

If you're going Sated Devourer, you need to go Fervor. Fully stacked, an auto-Q combo at lvl 18 will do an extra 320 physical damage, far more than Thunderlords will ever give you.

DreamCrushed1 votes

To be fair, she has a passive on everyone of her abilities. Her Q is reduced by autos, her W has extra duration with autos and deals bonus damage on hit, her E does % Max Hp (right? for this one I forget a little) on hit. This actually used to be her passive all combined but Riot split it up due to clarity. So now she has bonus resistances as her actual passive with the real passives just distributed about her spells. So no worries, it just looks lame, its actually really cool :D

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

Her E gives her a flat 2.5% max HP as magic damage on hit, at all ranks.

What needs to happen with Shyv is her ult needs to make her immune to CC, like Vi or Malp ult.

DreamCrushed1 votes

That doesn't effect her too much though... The length of the ultimate flight time is pretty much longer than any CC so the only things that can stop her are knock-ups and pulls which aren't as common as other CC's. But if she was immune she would be unstoppable. I would rather have that weakness than have her weak in other areas.

Edit: A better change to help her scale better would be something like 2/2.5/3/3.5/4% Max HP based off rank of E. Makes her end game better.

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

Shyvana can build item 3931 item 3742 item 3025 item 3158 item 3748 item 3102 and with 10% CDR from runes, she already does tons of damage, and it's mixed so it's difficult to itemize against her (45% CDR so good). She also gets around ~230 armor and 200 MR, with 4k health if you get an item 2138

The length of the ultimate flight time is pretty much longer than any CC so the only things that can stop her are knock-ups and pulls which aren't as common as other CC's

Knockups are extremely common among meta champions.

dangopee1 votes

Jungle Shyvana with item 3931 is still just about as strong as it was back when she was permabanned when sated first came out. Just fell out of flavor after the juggernaut rework.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

Shyvana's winrate is at an all time high in the jungle. Just saying.

SithesisLord1 votes

Her passive is fine. While it isn´t the best one out there, it´s simple and does its job really well.

Passives don´t always need to be a clusterfuck of things [Cough] Yasuo [Cough]

Captain Aishi1 votes

her real passive isn,t the armor/mr she gets, her REAL passive is that all her spells scale with basic attacks (Q cooldown lowers, W duration lengthens, E on-hit damage, R fury generation) and that's a pretty neat passive if you ask me :P

Ch0c0lateJesus1 votes

Her passive is pretty boring, but I wouldnt say it's bad. At least it stays relevant throughout the game unlike some other passives. Lissandra

Jay bone781 votes

I believe that Shyvanna should have a massive movement speed reduction and be the only champion not allowed to use thunderlord's decree. As I see it, this champion is capable of half-healthing most lvl2 champion with only 2 abilities, one basic attack, and thunderlord's decree. If you happen to be caught half-health fighting any jungle camp you can kiss your jungle good bye because I garuntee you won't want to give her another kill just from trying to farm.

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