Hydra on Garen, discuss.

PedramCarter··3 votes·1,122 views

I think it's really useful especially with your weak e it can mess up last hits and easily lose good minions hydra helps speed clearing up and life steal is useful on it too and health regen. I've literally been going full ad garen and It dominates.

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GloriousKaiser2 votes

Only problem is that he doesn't auto attack too much. But yeah, it's viable.

PedramCarter1 votes

Yeah, I fine it useful tbh what I do is I jerk around or if I'm fighting and I get the enemy low or whatever and I know I'm gonna die I just run into jungle clear camp get back to full hp. (full ad garen).

Dreadlocks2 votes

Not worth, you could get item 3071 shred armor and hell get a item 3142 for dem crits.

PedramCarter2 votes

Problem is ghostblade just doesn't crit like maybe 1/10 not kidding, hell not even infinity crits as much, my idea of crit is doing at least 2 crits per spin which rarely even happens bro., I'd be lucky to get one.

Dreadlocks1 votes

true but the movement speed is pretty nice.. and no 1 really complains about too much extra gold item 3093

PedramCarter2 votes

I love that on trynd farm that avarice for 30minute end up with 1.2k+ extra gold.

Juggernaut6281 votes

You get Hydra for the damage and the Health regen, not the passive.

PedramCarter1 votes

I use that too I didn't say excluding that I'm saying in general it's good, I've noticed when you get infinity on him his e barely crits or not often it's just no worth it as it has no sustain.

foinhas1 votes

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it has no sustain.

you want even MORE sustain on garen?

PedramCarter1 votes

Yeah, on full ad garen/bruiser why not?

foinhas1 votes

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Yeah, on full ad garen/bruiser why not?

there are much better items like IE, BC, ghostblade, LW and maw. even essence reaver is better than hydra, because cdr

PedramCarter1 votes

Tried all of them I've noticed better results since I started using it, ghostblade is totally out of the picture because 1/10 barely crit even works.

foinhas1 votes

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Tried all of them I've noticed better results since I started using it, ghostblade is totally out of the picture because 1/10 barely crit even works.

garen scales better with arm pen than with ad

PedramCarter1 votes

Why not both :P?

Sirsir2 votes

Ghostblade is more for the MS active to help you stick. And full AD Garen should include IE with it for 1/3 chance to crit.

foinhas1 votes

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Ghostblade is more for the MS active to help you stick. And full AD Garen should include IE with it for 1/3 chance to crit.

this.

you can't underestimate a 20% chance to critic, because when it happens (and it will) you'll pretty much win the team fight

GhostOfShrimpmas1 votes

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there are much better items like IE, BC, ghostblade, LW and maw. even essence reaver is better than hydra, because cdr

If you're getting IE and ghostblade, you're going to be auto attacking some, which makes Hydra nice. It also has a pretty nice active, which basically lets you auto during your spin.

It's not a perfect item for him, but neither is is terrible.

foinhas1 votes

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If you're getting IE and ghostblade, you're going to be auto attacking some, which makes Hydra nice. It also has a pretty nice active, which basically lets you auto during your spin.

It's not a perfect item for him, but neither is is terrible.

hydra CAN be a great item for garen, but you only have six slots. There are other ad items more suited for garen. Plus you can't forget ghostblade's cdr

Sirsir1 votes

{quoted} even essence reaver is better than hydra, because cdr

What are you smoking? And can I have some?

Sirsir1 votes

RIP Atmas ;-;

PedramCarter1 votes

Nah I'm kind of glad they removed it, after the hp percentage in ad got nerfed wasn't as good, you were better off just getting a good 1 damage item and then getting rest tanky. Riot in general fucked lot of things up this season such as increasing magic resist item cost and no secondary single M.R item that goes into spirit visage or banshee, they total fucked Negatron Cloak up. item 1057 item 3102 item 3065 item 1033

Sirsir1 votes

It was good on Garen before. Old IE and Atmas gave you 40% crit and good stats all around.

{quoted} and no secondary single M.R item that goes into spirit visage or banshee, they total fucked Negatron Cloak up. item 1057 item 3102 item 3065 item 1033

I... don't quite understand what you mean there. item 3211

In any case, its good on full damage Garen, but for a more standard build theres better options. Plus theres a build I've wanted to try since the HP5 rework... item 3074 item 3065 item 3083 item 3102 item 3056 and probably item 3047 for the lack of armor in the build. 400% plus Warmogs modified by Visage and probably Second Wind.

redniwediS1 votes

It's not an item I would recommend as a Garen main, but if I see you build it I won't instantly lose all respect for you. Just don't build it on tank Garen.

PedramCarter1 votes

Hell no, not on tank if I go full tank I just grab cleaver that's all, here http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24556811#matches that's my build, except that one match I did bad in.

redniwediS1 votes

I'd be more against buying Maw than Hydra in that case. If you get a Mercurial Scimitar it provides more AD and a cleanse for a bit more gold and slightly less MR. That's just personal preference though.

TheI3igDaddy1 votes

Why do you need health regen on Garen of all champions? At level 16 his passive literally doubles in strength and you just need to go hide in a bush (hue) for 10-20 seconds; bam you're at full health again, go crazy.

Hydra isn't a BAD buy, necessarily, but other AD items like Cleaver and Infinity Edge outclass it. And if you're really scared about losing minions during E, you have to go out into the enemy wave, fight them before your own wave tries to attack it. That way you'll never miss any, and your passive will turn back on to recover whatever peanut damage the minions dealt to you.

GloriousKaiser1 votes

You're buying it for the combination of stats it gives. It may not necessarily be ideal, but it does have it's merits. It's not wrong either, to build regen on a regen champion.

It's like asking why build health on an infinitely health scaling champion Sion ? Well it's good to play to strengths right? So that's what the reasoning could be.

Narasimha1 votes

It's like asking why build health on an infinitely health scaling champion ? Well it's good to play to strengths right? So that's what the reasoning could be.

Because his base health is actually on the low end, and more importantly, one of his skills scale with max health.

GloriousKaiser1 votes

Yeah I forgot that Riot likes to make their weaknesses their strengths.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Its a funny buy on Glass Cannon Garen, but IE and BC are better buys. Also Ghostblade helps him out in a lot more situations.

DisasterSola1 votes

Tank garen: Sunfire Randuins Merc treads Spirit visage Maw of malmortus thornmail/warmogs

Bruiser garen: IE Maw of malmortus Merc treads Randuins spirit visage Defensive item/AD item/crit item/warmogs

Warmogs, SV, and garebears passive sync so well together. And past ~50% resistence, the EHP bonus falls off in usefulness.

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