Ninja Tabi and Doran Shield ADCs. Can this game get even more cancerous?

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Is this the assassin meta or are we still in season 6's tank meta?

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Nahui3 votes

Why did you think this was the assassin meta? It's currently a tank meta lol.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

what tanks are in meta right now ?

we have carry junglers, mages and assassins mid, adcs , mage supports

where are the tanks ?

Nahui3 votes

Sejuani, Rammus, Malphite, Amumu, WW, Zac. Namely Zac. Sej and Amumu.

Also, should have clarified that building tanky also makes one a tank. So fully-tank built Sion is still a tank, not a juggernaut. Just an example, so I don't hear that "But muh warwick isn't a tank!" when he's built titanic hydra+5 tank items. Same as Darius, who goes BC+5 tank items.

It also doesn't have to necessarily be a tank for a "tank" meta. Everyone is building ninja tabi now. Armor. Tank. ADCs are building it too for just how good it is. They just revamped a bunch of tanks, as well as added in some more tanky items and shifted values around. They nerfed last whisper.

Maokai is rising in popularity now that they've nerfed his cheesy support path.

If you think we have any sort of assassin meta right now, go look at the stats of the assassins. They're nearly all complete trash.

"we have carry junglers, mages and assassins mid, adcs , mage supports". Well if you can point to the tank mid meta in any season, props to you. If you can point to the tank ADC meta (Arguably right now actually with tabi+Death's dance+PD builds), props to you. The only two roles that you listed that are relevant are jungle and support.

Thresh is still sitting there, laughing his ass off as continuously one of the best supports in the game. Rakan is still sitting here, being built purely tank just about, laughing as he zips around you with his overshield and 3k health+resistances.

Jungle? If you haven't played games with Zac or Zac being banned, you aren't playing League of Legends. May have loaded up Dota 2 by accident, didn't notice which I understand. Hard to tell the difference (lol). Sejuani JUST RECENTLY was about permabanned high ELO due to how tanky she was added on to the damage she could do. Very solid tank. Warwick is amazingly popular and he's a great tank. Drain tank even.

Idk what LoL you're playing, mine's full of tanks and tanky building. Assassin meta was season 4, back when all 5 roles built glass cannon and wiped each other off the Rift in 5 seconds or your money back. That's not the case.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

yet the games are snowbally as hell, if any one gets a kill or two the game is lost , and most of the time games are shorter now then ever before. oh this was before the 15min FF feature...

and i made a post on this thread LISTING all tanks and their pick/win rates

Sukishoo1 votes

I haven't had short games in awhile... Had one last night that was over 45 minutes.. So if that is short I'd hate to see what long is lol

Nahui1 votes

It's unfortunate for you that win rate doesn't determine viability or utility of a champion. This has been stipulated so often on so many threads, and people like you continue to just use win rates and pick rates as determinants. There is so much more in a team game. all that really determines is that tanks aren't being the carries, which is very true. You also used one website, I assume? Now the strange thing here is that on every stat website you check, the rates are all different. Why do you think that is? None are completely accurate.

Tanks have smaller pick rates due to the fact that there aren't as many roles suited for them. No team needs 3 tanks, they need one, maybe two.

You also used the terms wardens and vanguards, limiting your list. If I play Zed, and I build 6 tank items, I'm a tank. Now this isn't my example. Warwick is a tank, and is doing very well right now. Titanic+5 tank items is still a tank. He's not there.

So many tanks are viable. Amumu, at your one-site 49.75% is still successful. Malph the same. That tiny percent does not mean they aren't viable.

People are building tanky. That's a tank meta. If ADCs are building Tabi, it's a tank meta. If everyone is building Dorans shield and tabi, it's a tank meta. An assassin meta is when glass cannon build are in, which they aren't.

Game's have always claimed to been snowbally. Every season it's the same complaint. Dragons, first blood tower, first blood champ gold, that's the snowbally part. Rift herald as well. Not some people building damage.

People that claim a couple kills early on ends the game are wrong. Just flat out wrong. Those are the same people hardstuck in silver/bronze who need a reason as to why they lost. "Bot and mid died once before 10 mins, game's over lol". No it's over because you couldn't play properly and recover.

This is by no means any sort of assassin meta. A tank meta isn't a team of 5 tanks, it's when tanky builds outperform any other ones, which is what we're seeing. ADCs going PD/DD/Tabi, everyone about going Tabi, new tank items introduced, etc. Mages throwing on health and resistances where they can.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

if win rates wasnt an indication of a champs strength in terms of wining a game then why are those champs with higher win rates winning more often ?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

ok so lets go with top 10 champs picked in all 5 roles

TOP Fiora Darius Galio Riven Rumble Kled Yasuo Jayce Shen Pantheon

JUNGLE LeeSin Elise Graves Khazix Zac Evelynn MasterYi Nidalee Gragas JarvanIV

MID

Ahri Orianna TwistedFate Syndra Kassadin Zed Leblanc Vladimir Anivia Ekko

ADC Caitlyn Ezreal Lucian Ashe Twitch Xayah Jhin Vayne Jinx Varus

SUPPORT Thresh Blitzcrank Lulu Karma Leona Zyra Alistar Bard Soraka

so out of all the champs listed as a tank with the top 10 picks in each role we see 2 tanks top 2 jungle none mid none adc and 3 at support

so out of the 50 top picked champs in 5 played roles we have a total of 7 tanks

and if tanks were as dominate as people wanna make the claim they are... why arent we seeing more vayne to counter this tank meta?

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Darius is not a tank and so isn't Warwick. The primary benefit they offer for their team is damage. If Darius and similar champions are meta, that would be a fighter or juggernaut meta. Or a "durable champion meta".

"Tanks" are durable champions that primarily offer utility. The only one with play rate above 10% is Zac.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

this is my point just cuz it dont prop up the fake cry of the OP and all those who back his cry im looked upon as i dont know what im talking about. people wanna keep spinning propaganda that tanks are broke and OP and its a tank meta. .. its not ...

its pick the most OP champ with damage and face roll the key board and cry when you dont win using this strategy

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

Vanguards

Malphite 49.47% win rate with a 3.25% pick rate Amumu 49.75% win rate with a 2.62% pick rate Leona 50% win rate 7.47% pick rate Zac 53.54% win rate 10.99% pick rate Gragas 49.58% win rate 5.43% pick rate Rammus 50.7% win rate 1.9% pick rate Sejuani 53.69% win rate 3.27% pick rate Rek’Sai 47.23% win rate 3.64% pick rate Sion 53.33% win rate 1.56% pick rate Nautilus 45.82% win rate top, 50.11% win rate support 1.8% pick rate Skarner 52.05% win rate 0.97% pick rate

Wardens

Braum 49.11% win rate 5.15% pick rate Nunu 54.98% win rate 2.94% pick rate Tahm Kench 47.88% win rate 3.54% pick rate Maokai 44.95% win rate support 1.28% pick rate, 50.98% win rate top 0.76% pick rate Shen 48.85% win rate 7.27% pick rate Thresh 53.33% win rate 42.79% win rate Alistar 50.67% win rate 6.43% pick rate Poppy 47.58% win rate 1.38% pick rate Galio (hybrid Battle Mage) 47.94% win rate 9.36% pick rate

out of all the "TANKS " in the game we have 4 that are legit viable at the moment... 3 of them are junglers Nunu Sejuani Zac and one support Thresh

a few are borderline Gragas Alistar Braum Leona Amumu Malphite

the rest really need help cuz they either have no pick rates or no win rate with no pick rate

its far from a tank meta

Eedat3 votes

out of all the "TANKS " in the game we have 4 that are legit viable at the moment

Since when did 50% win rate become 'not viable'?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

the rest really need help cuz they either have no pick rates or no win rate with no pick rate

apparently you missed that part

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i mean if you wanna say skarner is viable cuz he has a 52.05% win rate with less then a 1% pick rate go ahead

Eedat3 votes

He is lol.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

come on , maybe today is an off day , normally you arent this dumb...

a champ who is never played and has a higher then average win rate isnt viable... its just those few who main him have done on ok on him in the games he was played.

just as thresh has a 53% win rate with a 42% pick rate would be strong due to both numbers because of the rate he is played while maintaining a high win rate

Eedat2 votes

Hey buddy. I main Jungle Wukong. He has a 50.3% win rate and a 1% pick rate. I dont need some clueless meta sheep like you telling me if he is or isn't viable. You don't know shit.

Nobody gives a shit about your bullshit meaningless meta sheep numbers. Get a clue.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

and how is that wukong jungle working for you?

you are 44w and 43l with a 51% win rate on wukong jungle

so if you main a champ should you have a higher win rate then the over all average for that champ ?

Eedat1 votes

I'm Gold 4 62% win rate in soloQ with him. My flex queue win rate is low because I play with an IRL friend who is bronze and I dont give a damn about that game mode. So try again.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

Not according to your stats at op.gg

Eedat1 votes

It clearly says 62% win rate in SoloQ. The champion stats cumulative of SoloQ and Flex. I really dont need your opinion. You want to talk op.gg? Lets take a look at yours. Oh wow, ZERO ranked stats for two years but you're trying to talk shit on mine.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

im not the one who started the shit talk you were.

and over all on your main champ your stats are what they are.

but seems like you are getting more angry by the minute

your win lose record on your main is still 44 wins and 43 loses

and i didnt bring up your main, YOU DID!

Eedat1 votes

im not the one who started the shit talk you were.

Nope, that would be you.

come on , maybe today is an off day , normally you arent this dumb...

Since you want to continue, ok. Lets look at your op.gg. You get matched straight up with bronze and low silver. You are a bronze player. I really dont care what a bronze player thinks of my champion.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

not bronze

how am i bronze if i dont play rank?

oh by the way... i was gold in season 5 as a mid lane main... and on this account in season 5 i played a total of 15 rank games and won 9 of those 15 for 60% win rate

cuz u dont play rank dont make you invalid... and just cuz u play rank dont make you more valid ... and all i stated was for you to think a champ with less then a 1% play rate is viable cuz of his win rate slightly above average was idiotic to state an that typically you are smarter then that... giving you credit for not being dumb... but maybe i was wrong cuz you took that as calling you dumb

Eedat1 votes

a champ with less then a 1% play rate is viable cuz of his win rate slightly above average was idiotic to state

It's not.

that typically you are smarter then that... giving you credit for not being dumb... but maybe i was wrong cuz you took that as calling you dumb

I'm over this. I'm just going to leave. Please refrain from calling people dumb in the future.

Have a good day.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i didnt call you dumb i said you typically are smarter then this...

how do you fail to see that ?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

and im far from a meta sheep...

and i never said you were or werent a meta sheep...

my point is its not a tank meta... its a damage meta. the stats dont lie.

best of luck to ya ...

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archerno12 votes

Its cancerous because u cant oneshot them anymore?

MissingKayo1 votes

Assassins are supposed to oneshot the ADC though.

Requiemsfire2 votes

People complaining about how snowbally the game is and then when an item change occurs that enables games to become more drawn out do we complain about it. item 1054 The only real advantage is gives you is that you get an extra HP potion for laning otherwise you're just as tanky as if you ran Doran's blade.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Dorans shield is only good for hard lanes that will poke you a lot. I don't get why you are complaining about that of all items when it's mostly used to deal with mage supports and Caitlyn in laning phase only.

Same health as blade, no life steal, no AD makes it much worse mid game.

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