It has been 2 years since Karma's Rework....

Sohbek·Jun 24, 2015·8 votes·1,243 views

It has been two years since Karma's rework and I feel that with the removal of her shield explosion (with damage) all that remained of the champion I enjoyed has disappeared. All of the things that many of us liked is completely gone and still she is not played much by the community at large. It is kind of sad.

I feel she was replaced with an impostor with bad hair and an styling that does not make a whole lot of sense. I mean is it that warm in Valoran? If it is shouldn't she be using her fans? (that were removed).

Gone is the engaging diplomat with the interesting story/lore and were given a completely different character. I am sure she is healthier for the game and all but I miss a character that I really enjoyed. I know I am just a casual player that plays mostly ARAM and CO-OP but I play her traditional skin whenever possible to remember the fallen.

Anyone have any thoughts?

19 Comments

OverpoweredSoapJun 25, 20157 votes

I can honestly live with the rework if they made her traditional skin actually good looking and actually looking like old Karma.

But Riot hated Old Karma's kit, she's most likely not coming back. She had a huge shield with instant damage and could AoE heal for % missing health.

Do you remember after she got reworked, Jayce got really popular? It's actually really funny because she could actually deal with him top lane really well.

Ramblings aside, she was stuck in the boat that LeBlanc is currently in, when played well, she is extremely unfun to play against. (Though for different reasons, playstyle wise.)

SohbekJun 25, 20153 votes

I agree that she is healthier for the game. I just it is not the same character which is sad. I enjoyed the lore/design space that she lived in.

I remember when they were doing the rework and they asked what Karma players liked about Karma and one of the things was the shield explosion. Now they've taken it away.

As one poster sad back then, Karma was Oprah kinds of generous now she is Donald Trump kinds of selfish. Passing out shields when it suits her.

I understand she is never coming back. I just miss her play patterns and visual style.

DomainSpecificJun 25, 20153 votes

To me, Karma died when they removed her old passive.

Honestly, there was nothing funnier than waiting to be almost dead and then using all your abilities for a massive burst and a really sturdy shield.

OverpoweredSoapJun 25, 20151 votes

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To me, Karma died when they removed her old passive.

Honestly, there was nothing funnier than waiting to be almost dead and then using all your abilities for a massive burst and a really sturdy shield.

Oh my god yes!

It was so fun, assassins diving you and then you're just like "Nope, bitch." and they just die. hahaha

Nameless VoiceJun 25, 20151 votes

They still do this and it still happens. The RW baits are real.

Solidair3Jun 25, 20153 votes

I'm actually more pleased with her shield than ever. It has never felt so satisfying to deny a sure skill with a massive shield.

And with the 3 second cd decrease on her passive at late levels I am ulting more than ever.

As for lore, I actually prefer the new one to the old. I like how she took a stand when she realized a way of peace with no action isn't the answer. She realized that sometimes to stop war you have to be willing to fight. She's a powerful leader, and she's constantly trying to unite her country, torn between pacifism and misguided action.

I will say that her traditional skin could look better, though. It's kind of a mess.

Rico NastyJun 25, 20153 votes

Are people seriously still whining about Karma's rework? She has one of the best reworks in the game. She is very balanced, her rework solved all of her core issues. Honestly people, make up your mind. When old Karma was around, you whined about how bad she was, now that new Karma is out, you guys STILL whine. I'm an avid Karma main and always will be. She just imo has a very healthy playstyle amongst most mages.

ImpossibleGTJun 25, 20155 votes

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Are people seriously still whining about Karma's rework? She has one of the best reworks in the game. She is very balanced, her rework solved all of her core issues. Honestly people, make up your mind. When old Karma was around, you whined about how bad she was, now that new Karma is out, you guys STILL whine. I'm an avid Karma main and always will be. She just imo has a very healthy playstyle amongst most mages.

At least old Karma was interesting. She was unique. New Karma is just... another mage. And now that her explosive shield is gone she is just bland and insignificant.

Rico NastyJun 25, 20153 votes

Are you kidding me? I think you guys are just trying to create issues for fun at this point Karma is one of the most unique champs in the game, she has a unique ult, cool concept, powerful but balanced kit. Also, just because she doesn't have a roflstomp Ult-E anymore means that she's bland? BYE FELICIA

ImpossibleGTJun 25, 20154 votes

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Are you kidding me? I think you guys are just trying to create issues for fun at this point Karma is one of the most unique champs in the game, she has a unique ult, cool concept, powerful but balanced kit. Also, just because she doesn't have a roflstomp Ult-E anymore means that she's bland? BYE FELICIA

She used to have a truly unique passive that made her stronger as her health lowered. Gone. She used to have a cone-AOE heal. Gone. She used to have a tether that could hit 8 people. Gone. She used to have an exploding shield. Gone. She used to be able to stack Mantra charges. Gone. She used to have fans and a dress. Gone.

She is literally just a new champions at this point. Karma doesn't do anything that Lux doesn't do better.

NorthernDruidJun 25, 20151 votes

A while back when they removed her exloding shield I had a look at her old kit and it just felt so... weird.

They were all really cool abilities, but... Something about the entire thing was really off, can't remember excactly what though.

Nameless VoiceJun 25, 20151 votes

My thoughts are that I really like the new Karma. Yes, she's more of a traditional mage than the old one was, but for me that isn't a bad thing, and she's still different from any other mage with her skillset and her mantra mechanic.

I do miss some of her old abilities (oddly, I miss her old W, which was a nice unique ability even if no one knew how to play with/around it), but I feel her kit is more coherent and intuitive now.

MathbalnaseJun 25, 20151 votes

I never had the pleasure of playing Old Karma, but I do enjoy New Karma.

Arch Mage MagnusJun 25, 20151 votes

I miss the explosive shield for the assists alone. Now I get nothing for shielding an opponent and have them kill em.

AnfinitiJun 25, 20151 votes

The ap ratio boost on the tether was a welcome change.

I did prefer the shield explosion on over the shield strength increase though. Stacking mantra charges was nice too, but the new passive makes her much more flexible.

DrNovaJun 25, 20151 votes

I enjoy and play Karma a fair amount. She may not be like old Karma, but there is nothing wrong with her currently

SohbekJun 26, 20151 votes

She is just a different character than she was. Why call her her Karma? She could've been Jane the Ionian Defender (sometimes). I understand the unhealthiness or brokenness of Old Karma but when they turned Karma into Jane the Ionian Defender so much of her appeal for me as a player was lost. It is a lot like what was done to Trundle.

I got the feeling they were trying to push her more steadily toward support but there are other folks who do it better and that have a game changing ult.

Thank you all for the great conversation for a Champ I really am a fan (no pun) for!

luckeyjokerJul 1, 20151 votes

someone else made a post but I'll just shorten it up, old karma was seasons up ahead. where her gameplay was about teamwork, yay teamwork, and identifying right moments and maximizing your abilities it didn't fit the old meta where everything was about hard cc as support or mages where long range and if you were building up damage you were supposed to nuke three people at once, and adc complains about their supports. Skarma is not bad, good in aram, and still follows maximizing your abilities but to a lesser extent however she feels lacky to me, still lacky late game with recent changes to her passive it's been better but could use more early game power. I do remember that a lot of the old karma wanted her rework to make a "viable" (solo q) support so hopefully she stands out more. Lastly -_- them taking out the damage on e for a bonus shield power was unnecessary I believe it was supposed to give a bonus shielding when the rework came out but it never did, please know that I did take time off of league so they could've fixed it. Them taking out that damage hurted my Skarma in the very few times I played her.