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Nice to see riot nerfed Riven this patch

Private Butthead··3 votes·1,825 views

Oh wait they didn't. Riot needs to nerf her to the ground. The q-aa-q-aa-q makes it so she out trades EVERY top in the game. All of her "counters" get shitted on in lane now. Wanna tank? Lol nah I'm gonna go BC-LW and make your armor worthless. Wanna gank? Nah I'm just gonna out speed you in your mobis bootless with my dashes. Wanna pick a poke champion? Nah I'm gonna max E and 100-0 you at 6. Wanna pick someone that shuts me down til lvl 3? Nah I'm gonna go wolves and come back with lvl and item advantage.

Now you are wondering - "how can we nerf her without gutting her?" Well that's an easy one

  1. Make it impossible to cancel aa animation (that might gut her in higher elo play)
  2. Force Rivens to max Q by nerfing her E scaling (that would be the ideal nerf for now)
  3. Nerf her scaling to the ground

Riven has the issue that She is tanky like a bruiser, with the mobility of an assassin, with the damage of a lane bully early with ridiculous carry potential. Every lane bully has a weakness and trade off for their early game dominance (except for LeBlanc, but that's for another time) Pantheon - Sustain, Scaling, Hard countered by armor stacking Darius - Poke, Immobility Renekton - Nerfed to hell (lol) Riven - Sustain (?)

Rivens biggest supposed weakness, her sustain, because shes manaless, is easily fixed by building ls, buying pots, or just bullying the other guy out of lane. Every lane bully has an hard counter in lane. Darius is poke, Pantheon is sustain or poke, Renektons is Poke or tanks. Rivens hard counter is ----. Rivens worst match ups is easy to win with a gank or even level 2 cheesing. Out of every Riven counter, non of them can exactly dominate her.

Ranged champs are too squishy to deal with Rivens mobility or cc Tanks get destroyed all game by Riven Other lane bullies have to deal with crippling problems, something Riven doesn't have to deal with

And the best part about Riven? She is perhaps the most mobile champion in the game with the gutting of Kass.

All together you have an super mobile, high damaging lane bully that you can't counter because of the inexpensiveness of Pen items.

21 Comments

Mr Broken Wings6 votes

Never saw a saltier silver guy before. Riven is trash and the only thing that keeps her viable is the aa cancel thing. Thats a fact, Irelia is 1000x easier then her and has the same winrate, if you have problems with riven then you are just godawful at this game, I am sorry. And btw, she doesnt have much favorable matchups at all, its probably you not understand how to lane against her at all. If you lose as fucking renekton to a riven then its not because riven is op, but you being shit at this game.

Engelbretson4 votes

I have to agree with Mr. Broken Wings here.. (Though I'd have said it with less trash talking xP)

Private Butthead2 votes

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/27216818#ranked-stats Please. You are not fooling anybody.

Mr Broken Wings5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Private Butthead,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-07-22T12:59:34.300+0000)

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/27216818#ranked-stats Please. You are not fooling anybody.

Its just a fact, it has nothing to do with my ranked stats at all. I would probably be 10x higher in elo if I would simply drop that shitty champion, I just like her playstyle a lot. She could use buffs and statistics back me up on this.( the average riven player has 166 games with her while the average Irelia player has 60, still they have the same winrate because Irelia does the same for 100x less effort). You silver guys have nothing to offer then "OH MAH GOD SHE KILLED ME AT LEVEL 3 WHEN I WAS YASUO SHE SO OP QQ RITO PLEASE" Please, learn the game and stop to try to gut an already unviable champion, thank you.

Private Butthead2 votes

YOUR RIVEN STATS W 17 L 3 85% WR K 7.1/game D 3.4/game A 6.7/game Please provide a real argument on why riven doesn't need to be nerfed. I don't want this thread to be derailed so I'm not going to reply unless you are going to provide an actual unbiased argument.

rockdalian1 votes

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rockdalian1 votes

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He will call her crap as much as he can my theory is most riven mains only use her to carry out I think without riven her mains will be silver/gold at best if they are plat or better

Mr Broken Wings6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Private Butthead,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-22T13:06:29.278+0000)

YOUR RIVEN STATS W 17 L 3 85% WR K 7.1/game D 3.4/game A 6.7/game Please provide a real argument on why riven doesn't need to be nerfed. I don't want this thread to be derailed so I'm not going to reply unless you are going to provide an actual unbiased argument.

Here, Ill give you stats that prove my opinion:

http://i.gyazo.com/568f78bff72a7621338e37195cee3993.png

Irelias winrate on amount of games played. We can see that Irelias main playerbase has around 15-50 games with her, and she hits her average winrate with that.

She hits 52% winrate with 15-50 games on her.

Now we compare this with riven:

http://i.gyazo.com/5e71dab794029fbf5f7dd6234d63ac58.png

Rivens main playerbase has 125+ games ( the exact stat is btw 166 games per average riven main)

Riven has a 48% winrate with 15 games played, a riven with 50 games on her will only have 51%. You need to fucking play 125+ games to get to the same winrate as Irelia.

Riven has the same winrate as Irelia while the Irelia playerbase has 60 games with her on average and rivens average playerbase has 166. Thats not balanced, she would need huge buffs actually, because at the moment her winrate is only high because riven players waste 3 x more time on learning and making this champion perfect to bring her to an EQUAL winrate, her winrate should be higher but it isnt. Riven is overnerfed, simple as that. If the average riven playerbase would have 60 games with her her winrate would be godawful, and thats a fact. Now show me your statistics that prove that riven wins every lane and is a brainafk faceroll champion, protipp: you cant because only salty silver guys cry about her.

Have a nice day. Oh and btw, I actually have a higher winrate with a lot of other champions, I basically just play her because I like her kit, hating on a good winrate with a champion isnt the way to prove your point. I rarely play ranked at all and my normal mmr is a lot higher, I win every game because I am just 100x better then this guys. I get a higher winrate on nasus and I am godawful on this champion. I got to plat by only playing support because people told me its not possible to carry with that.

rockdalian1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=00000001000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-22T13:17:20.552+0000)

Here, Ill give you stats that prove my opinion:

http://i.gyazo.com/568f78bff72a7621338e37195cee3993.png

Irelias winrate on amount of games played. We can see that Irelias main playerbase has around 15-50 games with her, and she hits her average winrate with that.

She hits 52% winrate with 15-50 games on her.

Now we compare this with riven:

http://i.gyazo.com/5e71dab794029fbf5f7dd6234d63ac58.png

Rivens main playerbase has 125+ games ( the exact stat is btw 166 games per average riven main)

Riven has a 48% winrate with 15 games played, a riven with 50 games on her will only have 51%. You need to fucking play 125+ games to get to the same winrate as Irelia.

Riven has the same winrate as Irelia while the Irelia playerbase has 60 games with her on average and rivens average playerbase has 166. Thats not balanced, she would need huge buffs actually, because at the moment her winrate is only high because riven players waste 3 x more time on learning and making this champion perfect to bring her to an EQUAL winrate, her winrate should be higher but it isnt. Riven is overnerfed, simple as that. If the average riven playerbase would have 60 games with her her winrate would be godawful, and thats a fact. Now show me your statistics that prove that riven wins every lane and is a brainafk faceroll champion, protipp: you cant because only salty silver guys cry about her.

Have a nice day.

Even the best players in the world say she's broken now sir the more games on irelia she stays about even just because riven has a tougher learning curve is not a good argument I could be wrong however players who have 125+ games on riven have their win rates skyrocket with her your stats show the players who aren't good with her on top of the best your whole point is mute sir you can cry so rates the fact of the matter is you probably can't hold your position within her and that's why you fight her nerfs so hard

Mr Broken Wings4 votes

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Even the best players in the world say she's broken now sir the more games on irelia she stays about even just because riven has a tougher learning curve is not a good argument I could be wrong however players who have 125+ games on riven have their win rates skyrocket with her your stats show the players who aren't good with her on top of the best your whole point is mute sir you can cry so rates the fact of the matter is you probably can't hold your position within her and that's why you fight her nerfs so hard

No, high elo players dont see riven as a problem, thats a fact. They actually call her trash. Boxbox even considered to drop her after the movementspeed and misslespeed nerfs because they were overkill already. Her winrate skyrockets to the SAME winrate as irelia. She gets to an EQUAL level with 125+ games with her. She isnt better, just as good as her if you waste 3x more time on riven. Its just funny how I can even pull out a valid statistic and people still try to deny it.

SunriseSkaterKid1 votes

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Even the best players in the world say she's broken now sir the more games on irelia she stays about even just because riven has a tougher learning curve is not a good argument I could be wrong however players who have 125+ games on riven have their win rates skyrocket with her your stats show the players who aren't good with her on top of the best your whole point is mute sir you can cry so rates the fact of the matter is you probably can't hold your position within her and that's why you fight her nerfs so hard

None of the best players think she is good. The last top tier player to make a video talking about Riven was dyrus which was 3 years ago. Shes really bad right now. Considering you are probably a top lane player who picks Maokai against her and then first backs and gets a blasting wand instead of armor. SMH you are so dumb.

rockdalian2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-22T13:03:20.753+0000)

Its just a fact, it has nothing to do with my ranked stats at all. I would probably be 10x higher in elo if I would simply drop that shitty champion, I just like her playstyle a lot. She could use buffs and statistics back me up on this.( the average riven player has 166 games with her while the average Irelia player has 60, still they have the same winrate because Irelia does the same for 100x less effort). You silver guys have nothing to offer then "OH MAH GOD SHE KILLED ME AT LEVEL 3 WHEN I WAS YASUO SHE SO OP QQ RITO PLEASE" Please, learn the game and stop to try to gut already unviable champions, thank you.

Mr. Broken wings will you do me a favor with a little experiment can you not play riven in your next 300 ranked games and then tell me where you rank

superhafiz412 votes

Riven shield is the most ridiculous thing ever. Its ratios should just be gutted

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

I just love how you replaced riv with irelia though....another really problematic champion.

Mr Broken Wings5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-22T13:40:12.652+0000)

I just love how you replaced riv with irelia though....another really problematic champion.

I took a random champion btw, I just thought of a champion with a similar role, midgame squishy killer. And look at that, irelia is 3x easier to play and gets the same winrate. I could probably use 20 other statistics to prove my point. And I personally dont see Irelia as a problem...what is wrong with you guys? Do you call every champion except your mains broken and op?:/

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-07-22T13:43:34.756+0000)

I took a random champion btw, I just thought of a champion with a similar role, midgame squishy killer. And look at that, irelia is 3x easier to play and gets the same winrate. I could probably use 20 other statistics to prove my point. And I personally dont see Irelia as a problem...what is wrong with you guys? Do you call every champion except your mains broken and op?:/

Well yeah because you'll get countered hard if you pick 1st top no matter what. Irelia's nice but she is one of those champs that riot seemly forgot more than a year without making balance. (I admire that sort of observation that ranks you as plat which is higher than me) I'd admit toplane is a real harsh place and almost every champ has the potential to become a more than 10 min hell. But again you almost picked riven every chance you have in this sort of environment, I would admit your skills and outplays there to make up that winrate, but again doesn't that prove she too much of a safepick which is a rare occurence in toplane these days?

Mr Broken Wings2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Algf6AYi,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-07-22T13:51:42.320+0000)

Well yeah because you'll get countered hard if you pick 1st top no matter what. Irelia's nice but she is one of those champs that riot seemly forgot more than a year without making balance. (I admire that sort of observation that ranks you as plat which is higher than me) I'd admit toplane is a real harsh place and almost every champ has the potential to become a more than 10 min hell. But again you almost picked riven every chance you have in this sort of environment, I would admit your skills and outplays there to make up that winrate, but again doesn't that prove she too much of a safepick which is a rare occurence in toplane these days?

I picked Riven in ranked because I like her. Actually you get outpicked by nearly everything on toplane, she isnt a save pick imo, pretty much the contrary. The enemy can pick tons of champions to deny your laning / all game long, sadly. Tryn, Renekton, Kennen, Jayce, Lulu, Garen, Quinn ( against a correctly played quinn riven has 0 chance, really, 0) etc. Everything that can affort a early chainwest denies your laning completly because you are not designed to kill tanks, tryn simply outscales you AND outtrades you all game past 6. Kennen and Jayce can hold their range if played correctly and render you useless.

Irelia scales saver, she hits level 9 and everything before that doesnt matter, she also is a lot more effective in teamfights then riven for example because she gets tanky and her damage is still enough to dive and kill squishies. I wanted to hit diamond with riven only because its a challenge, she is really hard to play perfectly and I want to main an interesting champion and no binary champion even though there are better options currently ( I suck at riven compared to other champions at the moment and try to improve that! I dont want to hit diamond with Katarina or Nasus because they are way to simple imo) , basically the meta doesnt favor riven at all right now and it bothers me that people think she even needs more nerfs.

KirbyCake1 votes

i don't think riven is trash, her win rate is still like a solid 51%. there are many champions that are actually trash. but apparently balanced means complete trash since people just pick the OP champions nowdays...

Dormidon1 votes

Riven was strong enough for long time. I guess her current spot fair thing. Hope she'll never return to the game as a super carry

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