The state of ap assassins

vnknøwn··4 votes·1,583 views

I'm here to talk about the state of ap assassins, while ad champions have several items that contain mr: maw, qss, edge of night, and wit's end for some ap assassins have only zhonya's hourglass that has armor..

next and more IMPORTANTLY item actives and passives QSS .... where's the ap counterpart for this, MAW so easy to start maw and counteract most of the dmg of any ap assassin again no ap counterpart. Guardian angel ? these are all ad items that if you build on an ap champs youre gonna deny yourself a lot of ability power.

zhonya is simply not as useful as a qss or a maw in many situations, like malzahar R for example and while Zhonya protects from some burst. enemy can just stay on top of you and kill you as you come out of it, as you're simply standing still for 3 secs. enough for enemy to reposition and target you. u just get caitlyn trapped or bursted. and you're already low hp when you usually use it.

Duskblade. you can invade enemy jungle spot wards. without having to take red trinket. the vision control that duskblade provides is simply so huge. with again no ap counterpart.

I don't know how to reach out to riot but ap assassins are kind off being overshadowed by ad assassins and champs that I used to love like fizz, kata, Leblanc, evelyn and ekko even with the recent buff to him, are really behind in terms of laning phase and early vision control.

and yes they do have escapes built into their champion kits. but so does talon with his parkour, so does zed and so does khazix they can all jump away.

There are as many ap assassins as there are ad assassins and yet ad is favored in terms of items.

We need ap items. there are so many useless ap items, give us at least an ap quicksilver sash.

So If someone can reach out to riot with this and make them aware, or cry to them for help that would be great haha.

and thank you for your time.

19 Comments

Pumpedhero6 votes

the worst part about this is than zhonyas is better than every counterpart it has, except maybe QSS but thats been nerfed hard af. so basically yea.

vnknøwn2 votes

zhonya is better ? u zhonya zed ult he stays and finishes u zhonya in front of caitlyn you're trapped and dead you zhonya in team fight u get focused cause u've been standing still for a while. zhonya is useful in very few situations it's not better than the ad items. and it'snot by any means their counterpart.

BBKong3 votes

The funniest thing in this thread is seeing him call Zhonyas bad, it has me wheezing

vnknøwn2 votes

zhonya is bad, Idc what you think. it's like you're snaring/stunning yourself, you're basically sitting duck each time you use zhonya, unless no enemy champion is near

BBKong1 votes

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zhonya is bad, Idc what you think. it's like you're snaring/stunning yourself, you're basically sitting duck each time you use zhonya, unless no enemy champion is near

Then you're using zhonyas in the wrong way. People complain about it being OP here on the boards constantly, if you're getting downvoted maybe just maybe there's a flaw in what you're thinking?

Wickedlike2 votes

Nah Ap assassins are the best atm... Still cant handle how broken akali can be at times..

vnknøwn1 votes

akali is not broken, if anything she is way less powerfull than she used to be before the rework. her laning phase may be strong but you can't 1v5 with her anymore

LemurMonster2 votes

Are you kidding me!? ap items are broken as fuck. I dont like getting one shot combo by mages at all. Hell man.. even tanks like malipite & amumu is doing this garbage! why is this even a thing? It's toxic as hell. AP items snowball to much.

It's the death fire touch meda all over again.

vnknøwn

I don't know if you can read, but I wasn't talking about the dmg. I was talking about the actives and the passives of the items, not their dmg

LemurMonster1 votes

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I don't know if you can read, but I wasn't talking about the dmg. I was talking about the actives and the passives of the items, not their dmg

Um yeah.. better actives & passives.. you're the one who cant read.

DalekZec2 votes

The fact you got downvoted this hard is questionable.

Whisper871 votes

I have a similar concern. I feel like AP assassins and AD assassins are very...similar in terms of power curve. Like Akali, Fizz, Ekko all I think are weaker in the early game than stuff like Zed, Talon, Quiyana. But when they come online...they scale faaaaaar better in the late game.

So I guess I'm wondering why there are no AP assassins who can match Quiyana's early game pressure? And why not any AD assassins who can scale as well as like Ekko/Akali in the late game?

Now that towers take bonus damage from AP with auto attacks, and Yomuus no longer grants attack speed...objective pressure doesn't really line up as a legitimate reason. I just think it's kind of weird and needlessly limiting...

vnknøwn1 votes

sanguine blade is coming for ad assassins that will give a lot of tower dmg with an attack speed passive similar to lethal tempo, and with built in lifesteal. and yet no items for ap assassins to avoid crowd control or to control vision. also if ap assassin don't come online is a big if, getting behind on any assassin is wrecking and so hard to come back from. assassins are early game champs, you have to win early.

Whisper872 votes

Yeah I get that assassins are all supposed to be super focused on early-mid game snowball. I just don't get why Ad vs AP have differently scaling across the board.

I feel like there should more of a mix

vnknøwn2 votes

I agree, but I just want a maw or a qss that gives armor and ap. that's all

forist1 votes

This will never be a legitimate complaint until lethality items are on par with ap items. Right now mage itemization is significantly stronger than ad caster itemization. And who uses mage items? **AP assassins. **

vnknøwn

You probably misread too. I am not talking about damage, I'm talking about the item actives and passives, the vision control that duskblade gives and the qss and the shield of maw, are way more useful in teamfights than a zhonya that just keeps you in place until you get out of it and die.

forist1 votes

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You probably misread too. I am not talking about damage, I'm talking about the item actives and passives, the vision control that duskblade gives and the qss and the shield of maw, are way more useful in teamfights than a zhonya that just keeps you in place until you get out of it and die.

I didn't misread. AP items have better actives and passives as well. They are just objectively better.

AronCartman1 votes

You need to get better at the game before reaching such conclusions with no real proof

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