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Conqueror is broken and needs a proper rework if it should stay in the game.

shiftyourname·Feb 15, 2019·7 votes·6,273 views

The whole point of having something for bruisers to deal with tanks is dumb since almost every single bruiser already have it build in with their kit.

Fighters/Bruisers with a kit to counter tanks:

- Q Truedamage + %HP scaling R. - E Armor penetration + Truedamage R. - Passive %Max hp truedamage + R that create 4 truedamage when hit Vitals. - Passive truedamage + E Ignore armor. - E armor shred + Missing %HP scaling R (Magic damage). - W with bonus hp as magic damage (And just in general being a little Rat). - This is a minor one but Illaoi's W is max hp damage. (Tank cant really do much in this lane either). - Passive magic damage. (Some might agree on this one some might not but mixed damage is always a pain to deal with). - W + R (Passive) Magic damage. - W + R %Max hp damage. - E Armor shred + %Max hp damage R. - E Truedamage. - E Armor shred. - Edit: R scales on %missing hp. Extremely high dps and due to her mobility and cc she is a real good counter to almost every tank. - R resist "shred". - Passive shotgun knees %Max hp damage and %HP based execute. - Q Armor shred. - R gives 50% armor ignore. - R %Max hp damage

Not only that but most of these champs have mobility and slows so when they do get on you then you can't get away.

Riot have in the past, removed stuff or changed stuff because it was not fun to play against. Well riot, conq is not fun to play against, your only purpose as a tank is to tank but what do you do when a champion that can chase you down with their mobility (even if you flash) so why should they be able to chase you down, have a tank shreding kit and be able to select a free rune that gives truedamage?

Another topic for people to discuss: What do you think about Riven being the champion with most OTP in Master+ of all champion OTP's?

Sincerely, Shiftyourname.

15 Comments

Moody PFeb 16, 20192 votes

Conqueror isn't broken

shiftyournameFeb 17, 20192 votes

You are right, it works as intended sadly the intended is broken and shouldnt be a thing.

Solo Q MemesFeb 16, 20191 votes

Notice how the champions on your list are some of the most oppressive champions in the game.

The true damage, the armor shredding, the %hp damage, the insane heals, and stat check.

+conqueror, of course.

shiftyournameFeb 16, 20192 votes

Yet they are the only champions played in toplane that aren't tanks. Except Jayce and he is rarely played (Might change because of the pro scene but you dont see him very often)

It's already not fun to play a tanks vs any of these champs (situational) but then we add Conqueror so now you can't even build for your losing lane.

heroikcFeb 16, 20191 votes

It is getting changed; nerfed for bruisers, buffed for everyone else.

shiftyournameFeb 16, 20194 votes

I know it's getting changed but i disagree with you. I don't see it as a nerf since now all kind of damage gives you a stack, and not only that but instead of the normal 3 seconds to refresh the stacks now you have 8 seconds. It might be slightly worse on some champs but is going to make other champs even more broken than they already are.

Riven is going to be able to stack is up in 1 rotation of her Q with the auto cancel bug. Then she can back out and then you as a tank will have to wait 8 sec for conq to run out before you go anywhere near her again because of her low cooldowns and high mobility.

And how is it getting buffed for everyone else? Please name other champions than draven who is getting wet over the changes. I can't since runes are not made for variation like they want them to be, they are made for some champions and when you play them then you almost never take anything else.

heroikcFeb 16, 20191 votes

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I know it's getting changed but i disagree with you. I don't see it as a nerf since now all kind of damage gives you a stack, and not only that but instead of the normal 3 seconds to refresh the stacks now you have 8 seconds. It might be slightly worse on some champs but is going to make other champs even more broken than they already are.

Riven is going to be able to stack is up in 1 rotation of her Q with the auto cancel bug. Then she can back out and then you as a tank will have to wait 8 sec for conq to run out before you go anywhere near her again because of her low cooldowns and high mobility.

And how is it getting buffed for everyone else? Please name other champions than draven who is getting wet over the changes. I can't since runes are not made for variation like they want them to be, they are made for some champions and when you play them then you almost never take anything else.

I did say it was a nerf to bruisers, buff to others (marksmen, maybe battle mages). I'm considering using Conqueror with Urgot and Kindred when the change hits, and maybe Rumble.

shiftyournameFeb 17, 20191 votes

I know you said it was and im saying it's not a nerf. There is very few champs where this can even be considered a nerf but to the rest of the bruisers it's a giant buff.

heroikcFeb 17, 20191 votes

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I know you said it was and im saying it's not a nerf. There is very few champs where this can even be considered a nerf but to the rest of the bruisers it's a giant buff.

Not in terms of true damage. Sustain and flexibility, at most, maybe. But they're desperate to keep it, definitely.

D3m37r1Feb 16, 20191 votes

They should bring back fervor

shiftyournameFeb 16, 20191 votes

As long as it replaces conq then i agree :D

PrinceOfStormsFeb 16, 20191 votes

This is why I think runes should have effects mutually exclusive with items.

Conqueror should be mutually exclusive with all pen (% and flat). Nullifying Orb should be mutually exclusive with LIfeline effects (PD/Hex/Sterak's). That sort of thing.

DraiksNov 16, 20191 votes

they should totally remove conqueror its bullshit no matter how much armor i have a yasuo with that bullshit rune can easily kill me, no matter which champ i play, i stacked 800 hp with sion i got to at least 6k hp and over 250 armor just to be melted in a few seconds.. and with cho i got 8k hp and over 300 armor and i got melted by a yi with 50% hp even tho my R takes 70% he healed before it even touched him, how the fuck is that not broken? how is it fair?? please remove conqueror or remove the true damage, or bring back the old Rune System, this conqueror is totally unacceptable every tank in the game agree it totally breaks the game making you melt no matter how tanky you are. i went FULL armor to beat AD champs cause even most AP use AD as basic attacks, yet i get melted by the ones i'm trying to make damage-less vs me, and what is even less fair? their AP CHAMPS KILL ME TOO DAMN FAST TOO, wtf riot? please fix you're game..

DrakalopsNov 16, 20191 votes

So because you’re losing to champions who were designed as anti tanks, your suggesting that every ad bruiser should be fucked over because yasuo is killing you late? Yeah, very productive.

DrakalopsNov 16, 20191 votes

You do realize that percent health damage is mitigated by armor right? Even if we ignored that, conqueror only gives 8 percent true damage. If renekton does 2000 damage in a combo with conqueror proced, 160 will go through as true damage. The whole “CoNqUeRoR iS bRoKeN” argument is completely unjustified and stupid.

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