Kayn 9.7 Changes Reverted

Magnus Magnus··2 votes·5,726 views

Just wondering why the shadow assassin buffs got revoked? It would be a slight nerf to red kayn with the 1 second increase on his E and it was giving blue kayn a much needed buff, halving the CD would balance out the power level of both forms.

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Super Sandmanne3 votes

I didn't really understand the changes to begin with. Rhaast would still be the better choice in like 80% of games. If they want to buff shadow assassin to the point where it's picked as often as darkin, he needs a more direct buff. That said, I don't think Kayn needs buffs at all in either form. As a kayn main though I won't complain.

Ragnaveil1 votes

I think the big issue has to deal with the fact he gains healing each time he comes in contact with a wall when using E, and with SA's E cd being halved means he could play hit and run against champs and heal off the poke. Gotta remember he's allowed to cast Blade's Reach even in walls once he's SA. Thats my guess as to why they got pulled.

Magnus Magnus1 votes

change the heal to be like, "Can only heal once every X seconds, where X is Cooldown*2", this would make it exactly like it is on the current version

Ragnaveil1 votes

Eh. Its just the mobility that gives in its current form is a tad bit too much. Maybe the cd could get reduced by 25% and not 50% and instead maybe buff Q's AD ratio.

The thigh guy1 votes

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Eh. Its just the mobility that gives in its current form is a tad bit too much. Maybe the cd could get reduced by 25% and not 50% and instead maybe buff Q's AD ratio.

Idk about giving him more damage. For the 3 seconds he should be fighting (6 seconds with ult up) he’s already being amped by upwards of 47% bonus damage, so increasing his damage even a little is a lot.

Ragnaveil1 votes

He just got a change on the PBE not too long ago today that changes it to 8 seconds flat. So that kinda balances it out without CDR possibly making Shadow with reduced cds being too ridiculous with his E.

The thigh guy1 votes

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He just got a change on the PBE not too long ago today that changes it to 8 seconds flat. So that kinda balances it out without CDR possibly making Shadow with reduced cds being too ridiculous with his E.

Eh. Fair enough.

Tbh the only thing I’d change with shadow assassin might be the delay on his ult. Like make the actual time it takes between cast, and you being inside them a little faster.

I think he’s in a healthy spot. He’s not super strong, but he manages to stay playable.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Thats something Kayn in general could use. Also dunno if the bugfix for Umbral came in. Haven't seen the towershot piecing his untargetable happening anymore, but im not sure if they patched it.

The thigh guy1 votes

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Thats something Kayn in general could use. Also dunno if the bugfix for Umbral came in. Haven't seen the towershot piecing his untargetable happening anymore, but im not sure if they patched it.

Tbh I haven’t been tower diving as much so I couldn’t tell you. But what I mean is he doesn’t actually go untargetable until the entire animation for him going inside someone finishes. So maybe for shadow assassin make him untargetable as soon as it’s cast, not once he’s fully inside someone.

Tychusfindlay9182 votes

blue doesnt need a buff, red needs another nerf.

The thigh guy2 votes

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blue doesnt need a buff, red needs another nerf.

Not really. Red is only good into tanky team comps. It’s stupidly easy to beat him.

The thigh guy1 votes

Tbh idk why it got pulled. There really isn’t much of a reason outside of a lot of people just hate him for some reason

Ragnaveil1 votes

Because he's a good meta jungler, and good kayns make Rhaast seem unkillable.

The thigh guy2 votes

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Because he's a good meta jungler, and good kayns make Rhaast seem unkillable.

48.90% winrate being 34/49 on the list for winrate is hardly what I’d call meta (Plat+ winrate)

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