Stop putting new players in silver

dead men waIking·Aug 28, 2018·4 votes·903 views

It takes half of the time to reach lvl 30 from scratch now. The whole experience of having to guide everyone like a bunch of toddlers is frustrating, its not fun, you don't concentrate on playing the game, you actually lose more energy trying to make a bunch of apes listen to you, but they never do. I had a lucian adc face check every bush despite explaining to him not to because he will die to the fed riven. it was such an easy win, we made it to the nexus but instead of finishing the game he decided to ult and clear the spawning wave, we could've easily won, but he DIDN'T LISTEN. toxicity is a ban worthy offense, but refusing to cooperate with the team isn't.

This is a team game, people should be punished for not TEAM PLAYING

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FOR JUSTICEAug 28, 20184 votes

they have to be placed silver because of the basic fundementals of how the MMR elo system works, so it has to start your MMR dead center. it just so happens to be silver.

if it started everyone at the bottom (bronze) it would actually be impossible to climb.

SwiftKitten88Aug 28, 20183 votes

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they have to be placed silver because of the basic fundementals of how the MMR system works, so it has to start your MMR dead center. it just so happens to be silver.

if it started everyone at the bottom (bronze) it would actually be impossible to climb.

?? silver is only the CENTER becuase they abritrally MAKE IT SO by putting new players into silver.

if u think ANY new player has the skill you CLIMB OUT OF BRONZE INTO SILVER then you are delusional.. they dont.

and climbing out of bronze isn't hard

becuase u KNOW the enemy sucks and even if thier fed... they suck. therefore u can easily outplay them.

in silver its mixed about 70-80% of actaul silver players who climbed out of bronze or player who cant climb to gold beccause they reason im aboutt o describe

and about 20-30% brand new players

nowe.. w/e team gets the brand new player... LOSES

it donest fucking matter how good u do.. how well u can carry.. its it worse than a 4v5... becuase in a 4v5 you dont have a playing inting becuase they dont know how the game works.

and the issue is if they int even if your better than the player they fed.. it is a LOT harder to outplay someone who has map awareness and has knowledge of the game and of thier champions than a noob in bronze who is just button smashing

so unless u also happened to be vs a partcvially bad silver or a new player its hard to match thier lead..

games in silver are flat out decided by match making before u even reach champ select becuase about 90% of the tie u flat out CANNOT CARRY a 4v6. and even most silvers wont know how to let u carry them.

i climbed out of bronze with a 16 game winstreak.

and as long as u dont get more than 1-2 losses you can comtinue your climb.. but as soon as you get those 3-4 random losses in a row becuase match making fucking is pissed at your then u no longer get your 30+lp per win.. and getting that back is a nightmare becuase then u get worse and worse teammates.

it also donest help that instead of putting you with better oppoents and better teammas as u climb to keep mmr even like when my mmr reach 3k from 2.5k i get four 3k teammates vs 5 3k oppoents

it puts u with the SAME noob oppoents but gives u completly mental teammates to "even" the mmr

so i get 5 2.5k oppoents (for 12.5k)

and i get 4 teammates at like 2.375 all facing 2.5 enemies.. and sure i can get fed vs my opponents but then every freaking lane loses and then one of those 2.5k is actaully a 0.2k becuase thier a new player, and its hell.

i stopped playing ranked its not worth it

FOR JUSTICEAug 28, 20183 votes

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?? silver is only the CENTER becuase they abritrally MAKE IT SO by putting new players into silver.

actually silver is the center because it has the highest congregation of players, not because thats where they place them, but because no one ever moves up or down much

if u think ANY new player has the skill you CLIMB OUT OF BRONZE INTO SILVER then you are delusional.. they dont.

i dont tbh, but you said it yourself, NEW. if your accurate MMR is in fact silver then statistically speaking you can

and climbing out of bronze isn't hard

hence why silver is dead center

becuase u KNOW the enemy sucks and even if thier fed... they suck. therefore u can easily outplay them.

yes

in silver its mixed about 70-80% of actaul silver players who climbed out of bronze or player who cant climb to gold beccause they reason im aboutt o describe

and about 20-30% brand new players

nowe.. w/e team gets the brand new player... LOSES

actually thats the reason provisionals are a thing, to get that noob player where they belong ASAP

it donest fucking matter how good u do.. how well u can carry.. its it worse than a 4v5... becuase in a 4v5 you dont have a playing inting becuase they dont know how the game works.

and the issue is if they int even if your better than the player they fed.. it is a LOT harder to outplay someone who has map awareness and has knowledge of the game and of thier champions than a noob in bronze who is just button smashing

so unless u also happened to be vs a partcvially bad silver or a new player its hard to match thier lead..

games in silver are flat out decided by match making before u even reach champ select becuase about 90% of the tie u flat out CANNOT CARRY a 4v6. and even most silvers wont know how to let u carry them.

thats it though, assuming you arent new, 4 chances for your team to suck, 5 for the enemy. that part is actually balanced in your own favor.

i climbed out of bronze with a 16 game winstreak.

and as long as u dont get more than 1-2 losses you can comtinue your climb.. but as soon as you get those 3-4 random losses in a row becuase match making fucking is pissed at your then u no longer get your 30+lp per win.. and getting that back is a nightmare becuase then u get worse and worse teammates.

elo evens out your gains losses, and bumps you higher until you actually start losing (which is when it thinks it found where you belong)

it also donest help that instead of putting you with better oppoents and better teammas as u climb to keep mmr even like when my mmr reach 3k from 2.5k i get four 3k teammates vs 5 3k oppoents

4 3k teammates plus your 3k is a 5 3k mmr team

5 3k mmr opponents.

thats intended

it puts u with the SAME noob oppoents but gives u completly mental teammates to "even" the mmr

so i get 5 2.5k oppoents (for 12.5k)

and i get 4 teammates at like 2.375 all facing 2.5 enemies.. and sure i can get fed vs my opponents but then every freaking lane loses and then one of those 2.5k is actaully a 0.2k becuase thier a new player, and its hell.

during provisionals it places you against them but you dont per say have an actual MMR, thats what its determining

i stopped playing ranked its not worth it

same, its stressful when im just trying to relax and play a game

dead men waIkingAug 29, 20181 votes

thats it though, assuming you arent new, 4 chances for your team to suck, 5 for the enemy. that part is actually balanced in your own favor.

i totally agree with this, however this is mostly true in bronze where players fall down from silver, in the latter you have new players who are clueless about the game BUT you also have smurfs who just started out and other stuck players who might a bit worse or as good as you are. and then it turns into : the one who gets the opponents who just farms and plays safe loses

elo evens out your gains losses, and bumps you higher until you actually start losing (which is when it thinks it found where you belong)

it is possible to run into a big loss streak, and even if it evens out, it takes a LOT of games to do so, to the point where climbing becomes a chore rather than a leisure, much like leveling in MMORPGS.

FOR JUSTICEAug 29, 20181 votes

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i totally agree with this, however this is mostly true in bronze where players fall down from silver, in the latter you have new players who are clueless about the game BUT you also have smurfs who just started out and other stuck players who might a bit worse or as good as you are. and then it turns into : the one who gets the opponents who just farms and plays safe loses

youre absolutely right on that notion, which is what makes silver so awkward. you either get the 30/0/20 challenger smurf boosting his college friend in between classes, or that 6 death yasuo before minions spawn and occasionaly an actual silver player

it is possible to run into a big loss streak, and even if it evens out, it takes a LOT of games to do so, to the point where climbing becomes a chore rather than a leisure, much like leveling in MMORPGS.

yeah thats one of the drawbacks of the mmr elo system unfortunately. once your wins and losses plateau, your getting matched much more accurately, so because of the lack of gaps from fighting opponents who have higher MMR then you do, it slows down a bunch. no system is perfect, but its just the best we have.

RookPusherAug 28, 20183 votes

If they only put new player sin Bronze, Riot would have to actually do something about trolls in order to keep players. Bronze is an artificially non-merit-based system simply by virtue of it not operating like other divisions - you can't lose your way out.

If players don't feel like they did this to themselves, and that if you're good you can climb, they'd quit. Because whether you want to admit it or not, whether your self-worth can tolerate it or not, Bronze is a carnival game designed to make you lose. Not intentionally, I don't think Riot meant for that, but it's the result you have when you have a system propping up vagrants, bums, and malcontents while hamstringing decent people who do enjoy the game, the community, and the climb.

dead men waIkingAug 28, 20182 votes

glad someone agrees. It just really sucks when you play to win, you're not having fun, so you are compromising your fun at the game to climb, when it doesn't work out you tilt even harder.

GaliöAug 28, 20182 votes

Just keep one ticking your cheesey full AP cho and you'll be put of silver on no time. New players arent very good but neither are players in bronze through gold. Plat it becomes tolerable but becomes more toxic. Then diamond it gets better and either you get a super chill or super toxic game. Then it's high diamond/master it's pretty much playing against the same people 80% of the time and hope you dont get the autofill or else you prob will lose. Then its challenger where 75% of your matches will be decided by who had the auto fill.

dead men waIkingAug 28, 20182 votes

its scary how people check your history xD