Ranked System Rework

Thraesh·Oct 28, 2014·1 votes·1,050 views

I shall try posting this here instead in hope it does not get deleted. So I will say I enjoy playing ranked matches, I like the concept and the strats and everything involved. I am just an average player really, like anyone I have good and bad games and thats how it is. I do spectate a lot of games from launcher to see how people are changing tactics and see what I can gather from the games to try to make myself a better player as well. This all being said. I see some names on the ranked games very frequently and watching these games I keep thinking how in the world did some of these players make it to such a high tier? Yes I have read and chatted about how riot has the ranking system set up and what factors are considered in provisionals every season and such. But clearly some people are just carried straight in to a higher ELO because of matchmaking. I see some really fantastic players in low tier that deserve to be a ton higher but can't get out due to poor matchmaking and I see some really bad bronze 5 worthy players at diamond and challenger levels. Personally I think that when a person of so called challenger level has like 20+ games just in recent history of all losses and throws games for his entire game by his terrible gameplay they should be looked into and bumped to an appropriate tier. This is just a suggestion, probably not the first of it's kind but come on, you have crazy good players in silver and such, even a nice few in bronze but they are stuck their due to bad matchmaking and you have crazy bad players in diamond and higher. I think the system needs a rework or something. This has been my rant for the day, thanks and keep up the good work

10 Comments

Sailor MintOct 28, 20142 votes

Fabbbyyy and imaqtpie just have their own way of playing the game (Carry or Feed), don't hate them for getting smashed in half their games. Honestly, if you're good enough to keep your feeding tendencies in check long enough to hit Challenger, you belong there.

Noone gets stuck in lower elo, especially with the relaxed MMR requirements sub-Diamond and the removal of clamping.

ThraeshOct 28, 20141 votes

I never even mentioned those names, I was just speaking in general, look at half the player's who show up on the launcher in ranked, most lose all or most of their games and the gameplay they bring is on par with Bronze 5 players. Most don't get to view the Bronze or Silver matches and see that their are some great players but who get stuck with bad teams.

Sailor MintOct 28, 20141 votes

Just so you know, the featured games are in the 3000+ MMR range, meanwhile you're talking about people in the 800-1200 range. Feeding in Challenger games doesn't imply the same would happen in lower brackets. You're comparing apples and oranges. It's soloQ, even in Plat and Diamond games people do stupid stuff all the time.

ThraeshOct 28, 20141 votes

Ok that is a valid point but it still seems like these people who play them lose alot. I have viewed people in games and then if I enjoyed the game or if I think someone did terrible I usually check out profiles and view match history and such, and looking into the players profile shows like 20 plus losses in a row. And if you watch these people after you see just how bad they can be. I understand higher brackets and such having more forgiveness and the like but what does that say about a lower bracket is my question. I see one or two people in games that do extremely well even when spectating friends' games and such but the rest of their team runs around like its day one on the rift. I have been thinking about various ways around this and some ideas have come to mind but not sure how well they would carry over.

Have a tracker that records your stats almost the same as what is in the game already but instead of if you say just lose and drop LP it factors in your participation and such and how good you did so you lose LP or gain LP based on that. So like say if your team loses, you lose LP yes but what if your ADC went 16/3/5 they should lose alot less than someone who fed in a sense. Same goes if you win
If someone leaves a game because of whatever reason they should lose more LP than their team, regardless of the win or lose scenario
Maybe actually introduce a tier lower than bronze to try to get people who are toxic or ruins games out of the tier they are in already because honestly that is a huge issue all around.

As I say these are some brief ideas. I don't know what factors are in place from this already or if they could be implemented but they would help if they came to the game. As I say this was just a rant of mine. It was a two sided coin with me viewing high end players thinking they didn't deserve to be there without knowing all the details and also the fact that there are players who are stuck at low end tier because of bad matchmaking or because they get trolled, paired with toxic players or paired with feeders/afk's

Sailor MintOct 28, 20141 votes

Unless you're top 50 Challenger, 20 straight losses is enough to drop you all the way to Diamond I. I'd be interested in seeing one of those profiles.

The primary focus should be winning the game, not farming KDA so you get more/less LP.
Could make sense for repeat offenders, but does it really matter? The more frustrating AFKers are those who manage to dodge their leave.
There's no correlation between skill level and toxicity.

You can get carried to Diamond V, you can't really get carried all the way to Challenger. There's some one trick ponies that are worse than other, especially when playing something else, but overall they did something right on their way up.

Also, Challenger is known as Bronze VI for a reason.

ThraeshOct 28, 20141 votes

Ok here is one off top of my head is UssopTheBrave. Aside from that your points do help me understand the way the higher tiers work and I appreciate the input immensely. I will post more after the match im entering

AtrajOct 28, 20141 votes

i think ur wrong their is no such thing as amazing bronze and silver player its all smurfs

ThraeshOct 28, 20141 votes

Odd because some I have seen and play with I know it's their main account. As I say either the ranking system or the matchmaking should be changed. I understand completely how it works but I also understand some people just get lucky on the matchmaking in provs and get bumped higher than they deserve and some ppl get put low when they do amazing

bL7Oct 28, 20141 votes

For the most part I think that those in Diamond/Challenger deserve to be there, I think getting through plat weeds out the men from the boys, but I agree that all tiers plat and below have somewhat questionable matchmaking at times. I don't think it's possible for a Diamond tier player to be " bronze 5 " as you're stating, it just simply doesn't seem likely. You could say that theyre silver or gold tier but i dont think any bronze player could manage in diamond, unless they have like 2k norms games or something crazy.

ThraeshOct 28, 20141 votes

No I'm saying the way I see some people play is on par with a bronze 5 player. Its just an expression I used to show they were playing the game badly. But yes I agree if they are there they probably in some sense deserved it at some point. I posted just to figure some things out on this matter as in all honesty I don't know how the highest tiers operated.