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At what point does someones bad luck become a gameplay issue?

AdjW··2 votes·1,461 views

I know at face value this probably seems like the age old complaint of "My teammates are always bad!" and I get that but I'd still appreciate if you heard me out and gave me some thoughts on the matter. At what point does someones bad luck become a gameplay issue? I've been playing League since season 3 mostly playing on and off with friends and only truly started to aim to play competitively this year. However due to my experiences throughout this year I've found myself more often then not getting the short end of the stick in terms of the quality of my teammates. Now I'm not saying it happens all the time I've had my experiences of my opponents team having a rage quit, inters or just straight up afks but as of late and this is probably engorged due to my current state of mind its been happening a lot, I'd dare say too much for me to simply shrug it off and say "Well you win some you lose some".

Now due to these experiences I'm pressed with a question at just what point does someones bad luck regarding overly consistent amounts of unfortunate circumstances regarding interactions and encounters with other players become an issue with the game itself. I'm sure there are many people who have experienced similar to what I have this past year and for those who haven't I wouldn't wish it on any of you. It places you in a state of mind that is infuriating and confusing at the same time. You try to remain calm and pull through despite the clear disadvantages while those around you slowly succumb and begin to hinder the team more than contribute to its success.

(Edit In) I'm editing this in as a form of light at the end of the tunnel. I feel that there needs to be some communal way for people to avoid being disheartened by early losses in games resulting in the loss of the match entirely. Or some form of compensation for those who truly are having the worst of luck so that they too do not get disheartened by being in a similar circumstance to myself.

I apologize if this appears as just another rant but I felt this point should be made. I'd appreciate any thoughts or comments regarding this topic hopefully some kind of method or approach could reduce the chances of this happening to anyone.

12 Comments

Kai Guy2 votes

When your bad luck magically breaks the law of larger numbers. Otherwise if your skills quite a bit above your mmr then the 20% of your teams players you occupied means you inherently are favored to win.

Or … When your truly playing in games matchmaker correctly assigns you at your skill level and not improving any after games, at that point its all luck of the draw to win.

Edit. Also I derped. One must remember that RL applies so if your ISP is trash or you have hella roommates/family that eats your ping bad luck might decide games as well.

AdjW1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AZbrGA5z,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-19T06:54:56.384+0000)

When your bad luck magically breaks the law of larger numbers. Otherwise if your skills quite a bit above your mmr then the 20% of your teams players you occupied means you inherently are favored to win.

Or … When your truly playing in games matchmaker correctly assigns you at your skill level and not improving any after games, at that point its all luck of the draw to win.

Edit. Also I derped. One must remember that RL applies so if your ISP is trash or you have hella roommates/family that eats your ping bad luck might decide games as well.

Since when did mmr reflect ones ability to control their temper or wether their computer is going to break down the second too many effecrs are on the screen? Again please read the post before you comment thanks.

Kai Guy1 votes

I accounted for RL in my edit prior to your response, how ever as you may not have refreshed page till you got back I get if you missed that.

That being said, Temper is not luck related. You know it and handle yours or you don't. Got a Short temper? stop when tilted. Even tempered? Hey your not trowing games being tilted in the first place!

A Bad PC is not luck related. You know the specs, you know if hardware issues can be expected. For some PC related things fine I admit the first time is luck, after that you already know exist. And knowing a problem can cause you problems... not luck. and 1 in X games played is irrelevant because your arguing that it has to BEAT THE LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS! A Bad temper and PC wont be luck related worth crap vs that.

AdjW1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AZbrGA5z,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-19T07:43:10.403+0000)

I accounted for RL in my edit prior to your response, how ever as you may not have refreshed page till you got back I get if you missed that.

That being said, Temper is not luck related. You know it and handle yours or you don't. Got a Short temper? stop when tilted. Even tempered? Hey your not trowing games being tilted in the first place!

A Bad PC is not luck related. You know the specs, you know if hardware issues can be expected. For some PC related things fine I admit the first time is luck, after that you already know exist. And knowing a problem can cause you problems... not luck. and 1 in X games played is irrelevant because your arguing that it has to BEAT THE LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS! A Bad temper and PC wont be luck related worth crap vs that.

I feel as if you are missing the point of the post perhaps reread carefully before staging an argument.

Kai Guy1 votes

Reread it. The title. At what point does someones bad luck become a gameplay issue? My response to this. When luck > law of large numbers.

In body of your post.

" this probably seems like the age old complaint of "My teammates are always bad!"

Why Yes... yes it does. Why you ask? Because you go on to say this

"However due to my experiences throughout this year I've found myself more ofte n then not getting the short end of the stick in terms of the quality of my teammates. Now I'm not saying it happens all the time"

Which is the Age old complaint of "my teammates are always bad enough to stop be from climbing."

And I say this because you end that paragraph with

"I'd dare say too much for me to simply shrug it off and say "Well you win some you lose some"."''

Next paragraph is you just saying HELLO WORLD I GOT TILTED. Im not trying tobe a dick that's just how your conveying it. And I say this because of

" You try to remain calm and pull through despite the clear disadvantages while those around you slowly succumb and begin to hinder the team more than contribute to its success. "

So TLDR. You try to stay calm and help team. You lose calm instead and you start to hurt team. Is that not the very definition of losing a game to tilting?

Whats next? Communal way to keep folks from throwing game? Besides the very commonly accepted fact that tilted player lose games FFS DONT PLAY TILTED? When has that message not been clear?

compensation for "players truly with the worst of luck" Bad Luck is not Tilting, luck is not I haz trash PC and cant count on it to not break, Luck isn't MY ISP IS AWFULL WTF BBW! End of the day forbad luck to outweigh your ability to climb this game it has to outperform the law of large numbers.

If your skilled a few losses don't matter. lets say RL is an issue with bad luck. To not climb lets say you lose a game because you Pc Breaks and Display Breaks and Mouse Breaks and your router breaks Oh And your keyboard breaks, Then for more good mesure your Vid card breaks and after that the mother board melts and breaks. All this happens in 1 year. That's awfull and potentioally expensively bad luck. In the very worst case all that shit going down would only cost you a max of 7 losses.

AdjW1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AZbrGA5z,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-19T09:25:07.790+0000)

Reread it. The title. At what point does someones bad luck become a gameplay issue? My response to this. When luck > law of large numbers.

In body of your post.

Why Yes... yes it does. Why you ask? Because you go on to say this

Which is the Age old complaint of "my teammates are always bad enough to stop be from climbing."

And I say this because you end that paragraph with

Next paragraph is you just saying HELLO WORLD I GOT TILTED. Im not trying tobe a dick that's just how your conveying it. And I say this because of

So TLDR. You try to stay calm and help team. You lose calm instead and you start to hurt team. Is that not the very definition of losing a game to tilting?

Whats next? Communal way to keep folks from throwing game? Besides the very commonly accepted fact that tilted player lose games FFS DONT PLAY TILTED? When has that message not been clear?

compensation for "players truly with the worst of luck" Bad Luck is not Tilting, luck is not I haz trash PC and cant count on it to not break, Luck isn't MY ISP IS AWFULL WTF BBW! End of the day forbad luck to outweigh your ability to climb this game it has to outperform the law of large numbers.

If your skilled a few losses don't matter. lets say RL is an issue with bad luck. To not climb lets say you lose a game because you Pc Breaks and Display Breaks and Mouse Breaks and your router breaks Oh And your keyboard breaks, Then for more good mesure your Vid card breaks and after that the mother board melts and breaks. All this happens in 1 year. That's awfull and potentioally expensively bad luck. In the very worst case all that shit going down would only cost you a max of 7 losses.

You know if you actually read into the post you might know what I'm talking about instead of babbling on about how I'm trying to be a special snowflake when in actuality I'm trying to make a statement that sometimes luck fucks people over so much that the game becomes unplayable and that something could be implement to reduce the amount of loss for the unfortunate players those instances. Sorry that this simple point went over your head.

Kai Guy1 votes

I have no desire to call you a snowflake. I firmly believe you do not know what your talking about. You cant say "I'm trying to make a statement that sometimes luck fucks people over so much that the game becomes unplayable and that something could be implement to reduce the amount of loss for the unfortunate players those instances." Is the point your trying to make.

Because your issues not related to luck and you cant blame luck for your attitude.

"engorged due to my current state of mind" "It places you in a state of mind that is infuriating and confusing at the same time" you slowly succumb and begin to hinder the team more than contribute to its success. "when did mmr reflect ones ability to control their temper or wether their computer is going to break down the second too many effects are on the screen? "

Law of large # is your friend for competitive play. Your playing at your level of skill? Lucks indeed a factor as teammates and enemy's determine the match outcome a lot more. All it takes on your end to break that cycle however is to improve as a player. Then boom Large #s comes into play and hey your climbing.

Individual games do not count for much in an elo system, its built to be self correcting over time invested. Like the example I gave, if you have 7 different but core parts of your computer break over 7 different occasions all of which you are mid game. Yea that's awfull luck.... 7 matches is a drop in the bucket as far as Elo systems care.

So once more. Bad luck is only relevant when its > law of large numbers.

HonorRibbon1 votes

For your next 20 games, only play Sion, Aatrox, and Malphite... NOTHING ELSE. Lets see what happens and then I will read past the first paragraph :-).

G0blinSlay3r1 votes

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AdjW1 votes

{quoted}

For your next 20 games, only play Sion, Aatrox, and Malphite... NOTHING ELSE. Lets see what happens and then I will read past the first paragraph :-).

I feel as if you didn't read the post the picks you make mean nothing when its a 4v5 or worse. Please read the post before you comment thanks.

Madsin251 votes

If you get shit teammates your MMR is shit. Sorry bro time to improve and not depend on the luck fairy to help you climb.

AdjW1 votes

{quoted}

If you get shit teammates your MMR is shit. Sorry bro time to improve and not depend on the luck fairy to help you climb.

Typical NA player not reading something before giving their opinion on it.

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