Bans in ARAM?? No thanks

Dajojonater·Apr 3, 2019·6 votes·2,256 views

Bans in ARAM now? So we ban 10 of the good fun champs and are left with champs we dont want to play? That's not ARAM. The fun of ARAM is scoring a fun champ to play. As a long time ARAM player i can tell you there is not a single champ that single handedly breaks a game, so I find little to no reason to implement bans. This diminishes the fun and value of ARAM and will only lead to increased queue dodging. When everyone gets stuck with champs they dont want to play ARAM will no longer be the fun casual lol game option.

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HotarµApr 3, 20197 votes

So we ban 10 of the good fun champs and are left with champs we dont want to play? That's not ARAM. The fun of ARAM is scoring a fun champ to play.

#"All Random All Mid"

If you want to play specific champions in a mode that's supposed to be random, go play Rift or custom games. The entire point of ARAM is to be random.

When everyone gets stuck with champs they dont want to play the ARAM will no longer be the fun casual lol game option.

Or, alternatively, people will play the game mode as it was meant to be played and not cheese the system to have the most powerful champions every single game.

InfernapeApr 3, 20197 votes

If there weren't any champs that didn't break the game mode, why do Ziggs and Sona have 70% win rates?

DajojonaterApr 3, 20192 votes

The solution to high win rate champs that people enjoy playing is not to get rid of those champs. The solution is to populate both teams with higher win rate champs that people enjoy playing overall by getting rid of people getting stuck with low win rate champs that they dont want to play. Banning only gets rid of high win rate champs that people want to play while also increasing the amount of low win rate (bad) champs that they're forced to play. When both teams have similarly playable champs the dominance of those higher win rate champs will level out. The solution is not to make everyone worse but to put everyone on a more level playing field.

Duchess KatarinaApr 3, 20195 votes

It's because of ARAM-only accounts. For years, players have been wanting Riot to do something about these types of accounts, and they finally did.

Don't worry though, the ARAM bans are experimental, and are only here for this patch as far as I know.

DajojonaterApr 3, 20192 votes

I play primarily aram I'm a dad and cant get locked down to long games, however, I've played the same account for many years and have not taken advantage of the controlled champ pool aram only accounts aim to do. Implementing bans damages the game mode as a whole. If the aim is to get aram only accounts under control then there are certainly better measures to be taken. Like allowing payers with many champs to personally choose a percentage of their own champs to ban for themselves while also requiring every account to have a certain amount or individual champs owned before they're eligible to play aram. This would get the problem of aram only accounts under control on a personal individual player level without damaging the game mode.

Duchess KatarinaApr 3, 20191 votes

The two solutions you offer, while good are slightly unrealistic/hard to pull off and don't really stop ARAM accounts.

Your first solution is for players with larger champion pools to ban a percentage of their own champions to ban away. There are a few problems with that.

First, it still doesn't make it all random, because you're still banning away champions/making a pool of more favourable picks. Second, how would that even be implemented? It would take a lot of time for each person in champ select to go through their own roster and ban away certain champions that they don't want to be given. That would make champ select a lot longer as well. Third, that doesn't stop ARAM accounts from getting away with owning favourable champions.

Your second solution is a better idea, but still can be manipulated. How many champions would an account need before being eligible to play ARAM? 30, like ranked? Well lets see if there are 30 favourable champions that an ARAM account can have:

Anivia Annie Blitzcrank Ezreal Fiddlesticks Janna Jayce Jhin Kaisa Karma Karthus KogMaw Lux Malzahar MissFortune Morgana Nami Neeko Sivir Sona Soraka Varus Veigar Velkoz Xerath Ziggs Zilean Zoe Zyra

Well okay, 40 then! Ahri Ashe Caitlyn Cassiopeia Heimerdinger Jinx Lissandra Lulu Nidalee Pyke

50? Amumu Illaoi Malphite Maokai Orianna TwistedFate Teemo Viktor Sion Syndra

There are few more good picks, but these are some of the best (from my own personal bias and standards. if you really want the best champs for ARAM I would suggest looking at a Tier List)... But requiring 50 is too much to ask of people, but if so, there are plenty of viable options that ARAM only accounts can still manipulate.

So Riots best options are either allowing bans or making every champion available in ARAM. If they choose the latter, then having a pool of 143 (I believe that's how many champions are in the game currently) are gonna make a lot of people unhappy when they really do get a champion they don't know how to play meaning, you're gonna see an increase in dodges. And a lot of unhappy campers, grumbling about how they didn't get a better champion. So currently the former, allowing bans seems like the best option and again it is experimental.

Blu 1Apr 3, 20195 votes

Let me guess, do you have an ARAM only account?

RatpieApr 3, 20193 votes

I have played far too many ARAM games, and while bans serve a purpose, it only covers a real problem and doesn't actually fix it.

2 better options:

Keep monitoring the nerfs and make adjustments to bring down or raise certain champs.
Open all champs for ARAM play. This would kill any ARAM accounts.

Inkling CommandoApr 3, 20192 votes

i agree with this. if you add bans in ARAM it not ARAM anymore. you are basically deciding who can play what. the whole point of ARAM is All Random All Middle. i'll say it again, All Random. you have no say in who you get to pick but have rerolls and trades and the bench to help you. by add bans it removes the whole Random aspect. maybe if 5 random champs were banned each round and not decided by the players then maybe it would add more fun.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20191 votes

ARAM accounts though defeat the purpose of ALL RANDOM... that's the reason why the bans were implemented.

RatpieApr 4, 20191 votes

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ARAM accounts though defeat the purpose of ALL RANDOM... that's the reason why the bans were implemented.

Just make all champs unlocked for ARAM. Poof, there goes all ARAM accounts.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20191 votes

Trust me I like that option better but there will probably be an increase in dodges.

AikeohApr 4, 20191 votes

So.. why do people care if someone has an ARAM account?

Why do people care if you win or lose in ARAM?

If you care about winning or losing, go play SR.

Duchess KatarinaApr 4, 20191 votes

I mean I can turn around the question and ask why do so many people care about ARAM bans?

I mean I don't care about winning or losing, I just want to have fun, and there's no fun in feeling like I'm constantly in one sided match ups.

Like I've been up against teams like: Veigar Lux Ziggs Soraka

Then my team is something like: XinZhao Rakan Mordekaiser Nasus Rammus With no chance of ever being able to get onto the enemy team/no one knows how their champion works. Trust me it's not fun, sure it's a shorter match but it still feels bad none the less.

DajojonaterApr 3, 20191 votes

One up side I feel i need to throw out there to offer pros and cons. A pro i can see coming out is that people will ban champs they don't want to play. However, people only ban champs they dont want enemies to have. I feel with champs not getting thrown out after reroll and trades being friendly most of the time this is not enough to justify bans.

DajojonaterApr 3, 20191 votes

People are dodging and every queue chat has whyd "insert champ" get banned? I dont know how/want to play "insert champs we got but dont want"

AikeohApr 4, 20191 votes

this is so stupid, what fragile noob rage quit hard enough that he cares about winning or losing in aram. It's no longer All RANDOM All Mid if certain champions are banned from the start. Sometime you're lucky, sometime you're not. It's ARAM.

If folks care about the game play for ARAM as winning or losing instead of for fun, go back to SR.

scannerman221Apr 12, 20191 votes

I dislike the idea of having bans in ARAM. Here is why.[slayer-jinx-unamused] I don't have much experience playing ARAM but i have noticed that a lot of my favorite champs keep getting banned out in the new 2019 butchers bridge experiment (i main artillery mages.) I understand people getting frustrated when they are up against certain champions (i get worried when i see a talon, zed, or blitzcrank in a summoners rift game.) However, the game is ALREADY a all random champion selection mode. I have a problem with adding bans to a mode that offers no control over what champion you get. I wouldn't have a problem with bans if we could choose which champions we have in ARAM (at which point it would no longer be all random). Feel free to disagree with me, but adding bans to ARAM takes away some of the fun for me and i hope this is a butchers bridge change that DOESN'T LAST. HAPPY DAYS TO YOU ALL![sg-ahri-2]