MAKE ICEBORN GAUNTLET MELEE ONLY

BigPapaGoose·8/12/2019, 1:41:39 AM·153 votes·18,556 views

IT IS 2019. WHY DOES EZREAL STILL GET TO ABUSE THIS ITEM? 1 DAMAGE ITEM (MANAMUNE) AND A TANK ITEM, AND HE DOES MORE DAMAGE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME.

Listen, Ezreal is a great champion that should award skilled players for their ability to land skill shots and use his cooldown resets properly. The fact that he can still abuse Iceborn like this to perma slow and make him a semi tank on top of everything else is just absurd. Not only ezreal, but anytime a mage top starts using this item, it immediately becomes a problem.

Make it melee only, make it stronger for melees, buff the ranged abusers in fair ways to compensate. This is actually absurd that this needs to be said in 2019.

Remove frozen mallet too that item is also stupid, perma slow should be a champion ability like ashe or something, not just something any old person can just buy.

67 Comments

AlienPrimate8/12/2019, 2:36:48 AM37 votes

All they need to do is make the freeze zone AoE based on distance you are from your target. They could then increase the AoE when on top of your target and reduce it to nothing at something like 700 range. This would make the slow zone from Ezreal mean nothing if he is at a distance but be effective if he is on top of his target and buff IBG on every melee user. Alternatively, they could also do the same thing with slow effectiveness by increasing it to 40% scaling down to 0% at longer range.

WoonStruck8/12/2019, 1:51:21 AM28 votes

The problem with Frozen mallet is that it gives ranged champions a permaslow on top of giving 700 HP.

Its like the old Rylai's that everyone abused just for stats.

The only reason people don't use it, thankfully, is because all of its stats are geared toward HP, which doesn't help much in this hyper damage-focused meta.

Baby Ghoul8/12/2019, 3:32:17 AM13 votes

This would be a great way to tone down Ezreal a little too.

He's in almost all of our games abusing that item.

Nekorus8/12/2019, 2:33:48 AM10 votes

ive never agreed with someone on boards this much lol. except for the frozen mallet removal...dosent make much sense.

Soul Dealer8/12/2019, 1:50:27 AM8 votes

Agreed. I have no idea why riot won’t do this.

AMDphreak38/13/2019, 1:06:53 AM3 votes

They'll never do that, because then they'd have to rework Ezreal, since Ezreal sucks from all of their repeated direct and indirect nerfs to him. Don't even try to explain the problem to the balance team; they won't understand.

MagicFlyingLlama8/12/2019, 4:39:39 AM3 votes

AND HE DOES MORE DAMAGE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME.

Citation needed.

I got literally oneshot earlier by an Ezreal with duskblade, so he definitely does less damage than himself.

General Esdeath 8/12/2019, 6:49:23 AM3 votes

I wish IBG and Glacial Augmentation were melee only, the rune is so fucking annoying on ranged champs as it is, and dealing with an IBG from a ranged skill shot every few seconds just makes me want to eat glass

ChiefDovahkin8/12/2019, 9:39:21 PM3 votes

Absolute facts. IBG is completely ridiculous on Ezreal and all Mages that can optionally pick it up. Look at Viktor last season. Multiple nerfs to a barely buffed kit due to IBG abuse. Karma top is essentially the same story (I will say her healing/shields were a bit much). IBG is extremely efficient versus ADs and Ezreal is 99% bot lane.

It's wild that a high burst & poke champ can opt for what is essentially a tank item in place of Trinity force, one of the best sustained damage 1st/2nd items in the game + it's loaded with favorable stats. It's utility is just too powerful for kiting on anyone with peel.

Eternal Torment8/13/2019, 12:54:19 AM3 votes

There's a lot of things that Ezreal abuses. He as a champion is alright but he is such a balancing nightmare for items that can be used both by melee and ranged. Fuck, he alone is the reason why Kleptomancy keeps getting some form of change or nerf every couple patches.

Honestly I'd rather see ezreal nerfed than yet another something suffer because of him instead.

SweedishGunner8/13/2019, 1:04:52 AM2 votes

Then we could ungut Viktor too. Pog.

Radiant Wukong8/13/2019, 4:43:22 AM2 votes

I agreed with you until the frozen mallet part. If I'm playing a champ Xin or Volibear, I don't want you going anywhere after I catch you.

Rıots Bad Client8/12/2019, 4:21:47 AM2 votes

They should increase the damage on Ezreal Q at later ranks. With a bit of Scaling. And reduce the damage On all on hit damage, and the effects it has. item 3153 , 8% to 4% item 3025 100% dmg, to 50% and 30% to 15% item 3078 200% to 100% (and maybe reduce the speed)

hell, and when If the W is applied, it'll apply the other half.

Ionian Vulpix8/12/2019, 11:01:52 AM2 votes

Fine. Make the Last Whisper items ranged only in exchange. Why should other classes be able to use items meant for an ADC, even in extremely niche cases?

I used to build IBG on champs like Lulu and Sona in rare circumstances. It wasn't optimal, but it was the right choice for the time. Every champ shouldn't lose that option because if Ezreal.

Monstermushmush8/13/2019, 5:59:24 PM1 votes

Lmao. I said the exact same thing a few weeks ago and got downvoted. The boards are stupid.

Pxerkza8/12/2019, 10:34:42 AM1 votes

literally 1 champion uses it and it's not even the best item on him

https://imgur.com/a/8LMvTW6

by far not the best item on him so in reality you should be happy that he went iceborn instead of complaining about it because he obviously can't play the champion

Psi218/12/2019, 11:48:55 PM1 votes

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IT IS 2019. WHY DOES EZREAL STILL GET TO ABUSE THIS ITEM? 1 DAMAGE ITEM (MANAMUNE) AND A TANK ITEM, AND HE DOES MORE DAMAGE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME.

Listen, Ezreal is a great champion that should award skilled players for their ability to land skill shots and use his cooldown resets properly. The fact that he can still abuse Iceborn like this to perma slow and make him a semi tank on top of everything else is just absurd. Not only ezreal, but anytime a mage top starts using this item, it immediately becomes a problem.

Make it melee only, make it stronger for melees, buff the ranged abusers in fair ways to compensate. This is actually absurd that this needs to be said in 2019.

Remove frozen mallet too that item is also stupid, perma slow should be a champion ability like ashe or something, not just something any old person can just buy.

Increasing the melee damage on an item tankie dps abuses NOPE... No thank you.

While we are at it why don't we make tank items tank only and melee items melee only.

Would love to see item 3083 , item 3065 , item 3194 , item 3053 , item 3748 all TANK ONLY

None of this bull where tankie dps takes one of the above along with a damage item like item 3071 or item 3078 and calls it balanced.

Fuya8/13/2019, 4:37:42 AM1 votes

Ezreal and Yasuo: Why we can't have nice things.

(And perhaps Tryndamere and Master Yi and Vayne)

Syrile8/13/2019, 5:32:27 AM1 votes

Honestly, this is not needed at all. Just fix Ezreal. Mind, I love Ezreal, but he is far too powerful at basically every stage of the game with almost no way to punish him (Unless you are a certain couple of pro players that always get caught out....). In lane, him plus any good poke support makes for a horrible laning experience and if he knows how to play late game, he can easily win the game. They are nerfing him but I wonder if it will matter.. Considering that if he drops in win rate they will probably just hot-fix buff him since he is so popular.

Myren Quiddle8/13/2019, 8:00:41 AM1 votes

Unpopular opinion: make all items available for everyone

Gentleman Gems8/13/2019, 10:06:11 AM1 votes

Totally legit counter argument

https://i.imgur.com/Ev0JUNJ.png/nondirect

In all honesty though, there's a lot more then Ice-Born Gauntlet that makes Ezreal annoying to deal with, but removing it's ability to be used by ranged characters helps deal with a lot more then Ezreal

That being said, I think the item itself is a bit outdated in concept, perhaps it'll get some minor rework, or simply be left untouched like it's less popular cousin Ohmwrecker

IainG108/13/2019, 3:01:00 PM1 votes

I'm in 2 minds on this:

On the one hand the slow zone is certainly far too strong when procced at range On the other hand it is a viable defensive item for highly offensive champions, and that is a very narrow field of items

Ideally there could be some more 'stat stick' style defensive items that are viable on things like ADCs (think old GA, rather than 'gimmick on CD' like the new PD). Currently (at least for the ADCs) there is Maw, Iceborn or BC, and 2 of those are in dire need of a balance pass.

Well, what we really need is to get out of this ridiculous damage-meta where building any defensive item on a carry is a waste of item slot and gold efficiency...