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The alistar updates

Tyravinor··6 votes·608 views

I'm a longtime alistar player and I'd like to talk about the recent rework of his kit. Not necessarily the reworked abilities in particular, but the reason for it taking place and the overarching effect on his playstyle. A post by Riot said something to the effect of "have you noticed how LCS players on alistar tend to just walk around a lot?" Then they discussed why this isn't fun and how it needs to be 'fixed' and blah blah.

Here's the thing: if I play alistar, it's because I enjoy playing alistar. I'm much older than the average player, and I feel as if I have a tendency to stick with the champs who require a more patient, less mechanical style. Ones who rely on timing and decision-making rather than fast reflexes... like (old) alistar. I play alistar because I want to spend time JUST WALKING AROUND WAITING. That's fun for me- the new trample/triumphant roar mechanics are not. You have effectively taken away alistar's unique identity as a sort of "counter puncher" and relegated him to being just another guy who has to wade into combat and hit a bunch of stacks of whatever to reach his full potential. Boring.

If you, Riot, really honestly feel as if your game needs a champion who plays differently from alistar, then make a new champion. Why mess up one who: already exists; is entirely viable in the metagame and has been for quite some time; isn't supremely broken and doesn't cause the game to be not-fun for opponents? Let us old guys have our slow paced champions who don't do much until the time is right... stop trying to force us all into the same playstyle.

12 Comments

CrazyBear19872 votes

I honestly feel the new alistar was more fun to play, more aggressive and was not limited to just doing his combo.

As a non-alistar player, i stopped playing cause i felt stupid in lane. Didn't do anything that the opponents weren't already ready for and at times didn't feel like I made an impact as a support player.

So i welcome the change it's interesting and modern in my opinion.

Tyravinor1 votes

This illustrates my point pretty well. I'm an alistar player and I liked the "boring" playstyle. You as an aggressive-style player have a ton of other options available to you. Why should the few I have be taken away?

CrazyBear19871 votes

Well they wanted more players playing Alistar, new and old. They don;t want a one champion account player.

If only a few people play alistar (11.7% pick rate) they would want to increase that.

Just like Saroka before, she was so passive and now she has impact on the field.

Basically Riot see's it as an overall benefit, and doesn't look into players who just play one champion.

That's a sign it's either not fun or too fun in my opinion.

Sorry you lost your old Alistar, but others have lost thier Aatrox, Kalista, Shaco, Akali long before etc

Tyravinor1 votes

I used to be a bigtime kassadin player. I hated the rework in season 5 (or was it 4? I forget) but I understood it. He was just too oppressive... they updated him for all the right reasons. I'm not opposed to updating champions who are unfair or too weak, but alistar was neither. He was in a perfect place competitively, and an 11.7% pick rate is very high (I think you're not considering how many champions are actually in the game). What I have a philosophical problem with is their reason for changing him. Whether or not he's "boring" is entirely subjective. 11.7% of the time he was apparently interesting enough to be in a game.

Let those of us who want a thinking man's champion have our (very very few) options. 100+ champions leaves more than enough choices for the rest of you... they don't ALL need to be thoughtless hyper-aggressive automatons.

IceKingChernobog1 votes

Every tried taking new ali to the jungle, it's honestly very good.

Tyravinor1 votes

I've played old alistar in the jungle a hundred times. I'm not saying new alistar is bad; that wasn't my point at all.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

I mean...

It's not like Alistar actually does much more than he used to, he's just got one AA at the end of his E that stuns, and for the rest of the time in his E he walks around dealing passive damage in the area around him. He still walks around a lot, just now he's rewarded for doing so, while changing his mana-sink of an E into a passive.

Tyravinor1 votes

They removed the stun from his Q. You have to use his E for him to have the same level of effectiveness, while at the same time losing the option of how much mana to dump into healing. It might seem subtle to you, but for someone with hundreds of thousands of mastery points in alistar, it's not. It's a change away from thoughtful options and toward mindless aggression. Boring.

VoidStaresBack2 votes

I'll cede to your knowledge of the champion on this, as you're correct in assuming I don't play very much Alistar (I'm pretty sure the first time I played him was just a few minutes ago in ARAM). I hope you find another champion or a way to play Alistar that is to your liking!

Tyravinor1 votes

bump

Tyravinor1 votes

bump goddamnit now we've lost aatrox and warwick and galio

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