I was in a game against a nautilus and ivern where both of them had a locket. and i just wanted to ask what how do you do anything about that? like the nautilus couldn't die, the terror on my face as i watch a nautilus tank 25 tower shots in a row without it even touching his health was actually so unbelievably annoying to have to try and counter
Ahristocats6 votes
i bet that wouldn't stop him
RexSaur6 votesWelcome to broken support items being abused and broken tanks.
Verdade1 votesSo, let's nerf supports and thier items? If so, who will play supports? I guess you want game to start, not just have never ending dodgequeue. Do you volunteer?
DHBGrimReaper3 votesSo, let's nerf supports and thier items? If so, who will play supports? I guess you want game to start, not just have never ending dodgequeue. Do you volunteer?
So you value queue times over game balance. Nice.
Verdade2 votesGod forbid supports were actual champions, we can't allow that to happen :O
Soraka, Sona and Janna are MOST NERFED CHAMPIONS EVER. They are basically superminions, and now you're complaining they're actually somewhat close to being relevant? Seriously tho, who's going to play supports if you nerf them even more? You will? If not, what will you do if you get autofilled as support?
HazyCloud72 votesThey are basically superminions
hahahahahaha
Verdade1 votesRright, they're not even that
DHBGrimReaper2 votesGod forbid supports were actual champions, we can't allow that to happen :O
Soraka, Sona and Janna are MOST NERFED CHAMPIONS EVER. They are basically superminions, and now you're complaining they're actually somewhat close to being relevant? Seriously tho, who's going to play supports if you nerf them even more? You will? If not, what will you do if you get autofilled as support?
Stop fucking overexaggerating. They had impact before redemption changes, go look at challenger support games, not your anedoctal low elo games.
Rebonack2 votesGod forbid supports were actual champions, we can't allow that to happen :O
Soraka, Sona and Janna are MOST NERFED CHAMPIONS EVER. They are basically superminions, and now you're complaining they're actually somewhat close to being relevant? Seriously tho, who's going to play supports if you nerf them even more? You will? If not, what will you do if you get autofilled as support?
I was here for Season 1 Sona, Soraka, and Janna.
They deserved every nerf they got.
The Yetii Rider6 votesYep. It's a great time to be a tank. That's a good thing. Otherwise assassins would run rampant with Stealth.
Ralanr1 votesShh, don't let assassin mains catch you saying that assassins aren't shit.
Big Lincoln1 votesthey're pretty bad, only the AP ones are any good
Ralanr1 votesOr Rengar and Kha'zix.
Big Lincoln1 votesRengar is supremely overrated from my anecdotal ezperience. Never had to worry about him yet
K6 is alright, seems he either gets fed early or doesn't do anything though
Ralanr1 votesRengar is pretty much the same. Unless he gets fed he's not that useful. So they gave him counterplay to him early.
Hawkefire1 votesYou don't build rengar straight assassin anymore usually (unless really grossly fed and you just want to mess around with him a bit). Generally you go a more bruiser ish build, with hybrid damage/defense items (such as maw and scimitar) to take advantage of his bone tooth passive (yes it was nerfed, but it is still incredibly strong). If you build straight assassin rengar you will just get obliterated right now, especially with how bursty adcs are and the sheer amount of cc. Bruiser rengar on the other hand is able to dish out more than enough damage to take down a squish, while giving you enough survivability to live through burst and get enough time to get off an empowered w to get out of cc.
aspects11 votesmost of us already know they all suck except prob rengo kha lb and maybe kata
Troll for Trump1 votesEven without tanks, they're still pretty shit. Which goes to show hoe much they need buffs.
Hell, Lee Sin's a better assassin than most of them, even when he's not going full AD
Xela Syab6 votes
It's a good time to be a troll.
RainbowIcee2 votesyup, i saw a vid where a trundle was running and used an ice pillar and blocked his exit causing his death. Good times..
aspects12 votesbut tanks get melted by adcs
The Yetii Rider1 votesbut tanks get melted by adcs
They actually don't. It usually takes an ADC a good five seconds to kill me when I build 
and then straight tank. Generally build looks something like this: 
. Tanks are really hard to kill when you actually play them as tanks instead of bruisers.
aspects12 votes
your armor is now useless
couple that with 
or even 
and your hp is gone as well
The Yetii Rider1 votes
and your hp is gone as well
Yep. Too bad ADCs don't usually buy that item until last, if they buy it at all.
Game can be over easily before an ADC picks up Last Whisper.
aspects11 votestrue, but tnaks dont ususally get armor first either
The Yetii Rider2 votestrue, but tnaks dont ususally get armor first either
By the time a tank is interacting with a carry (after laning phase) the tank has armor and the carry does not have Last Whisper. This is true pretty much all the time.
aspects11 votesif the tank does get armor so the carry cannot kill them, the carry will then get at least a lw, maybe not domnicks. after that, the tanks armor is useless so in essence, the tank gets one good chance to get the adc
The Yetii Rider1 votesAnd...that's good enough? Even with Last Whisper, a full tank takes at least three seconds to kill. That's time the carry isn't killing someone else, which can be spent by your team killing them.
And also, you're not correct. You can build plenty of armor and the ADC may choose not to build Last Whisper. Not at the professional level, but at our level. Happens all the time.
aspects11 votestrue, but that would be the fault of the adc. even if it takes those 3 seconds to kill the tank, who else will go for the adc the adc has so much peel these days and MOST assassins are useless, and if someone else of higher priority comes in range of someone like cait or twitch, they can just switch targets, 2 shot the high priority target, then move back to the tank
Vesemir1 votesEveryone does. Why bother play Kha when you can do more damage with a headshot crit from Cait? Or Vayne criting you to oblivion... Or the worst one. The ranged Rengar AKA Twitch.
GigglesO3 votesWell, we removed tanks being able to heal in combat, so in response they added more shielding... It's about the only thing supports and tanks are allowed right now.
Spaceman5pff2 votesShielding is healthier in general as a mechanic.
It is much more proactive since shield go away and you have the same HP as before, whereas heals just GIVE you HP.
GigglesO3 votesShielding is healthier in general as a mechanic.
It is much more proactive since shield go away and you have the same HP as before, whereas heals just GIVE you HP.
That is what Riot wants you to believe, both are healthy in different situations, and that is why they still allow life steal to exist. If in combat healing was truly imbalanced they wouldn't allow omnivamp, or lifesteal to exist. Riot just doesn't like anti-play mechanics, except on champions that can make flashy LCS plays.
Spaceman5pff1 votesThere is a difference, I feel, between Soraka style healing and lifesteal.
Soraka style can happen anywhere anytime as long as she is there. Lifesteal / omnivamp requires you to go into combat, which often times means you are in enemy vision + at a location where they may come to kill you. It forces you into SOME level of risk to utilize it.
It is a bit nitpicky, but I feel that the difference is important to note.
HazyCloud71 votesWell, we removed tanks being able to heal in combat,
tank supports still can
Treyhova1 votesADC. Thats the answer, they are suppose to be the consistant damage dealers that go through the shields, but with the season 6 nerfs, armor pen being removed, getting a support only every 3-4 games, the position is in a pretty bad spot at the moment.
Spaceman5pff6 votesWait, you mean a class that is SO GOOD that it has never once been out of meta since season 1 worlds is in a bad spot?
Until another class takes over the place of the marksman, you will not be able to convince me that ADC is in a bad spot. Worse than in season 2? Probably. But season 2 ADC was kinda gross.
Treyhova1 votesWhy do so many people hate ADC so much? The class is in fact in a bad spot right now, marksmen are having alot of trouble doing their jobs. And yes, ADC has to be meta, they are ranged because that is the best way to balance the position and the class. Why should another class replace marksmen?
Spaceman5pff3 votesI don't think another class SHOULD replace marksmen. What I am saying is that they are the best at their job, and until another class is better at their job I will have trouble accepting the marksman class as being in a bad spot.
Tanks come in and out of the meta, Assassins come and go. The need for them hasn't changed, but rather their effectiveness relative to other classes playing in top / mid / jungle. Untill we see the day when the Marksman class is not the most effective at objective control, sustained DPS, and seige, I cant really accept that they are in a bad place.
You saw what happened with the marksman update. All it takes is numbers tweaks and you have marksman in EVERY position.
TOP 
JUNGLE 
/ 
MID 
ADC you get the idea
SUPPORT 
There are marksman class champions with some sort of place in EVERY role.
And I am only counting Marksman that we would consider a traditional ADC, not expanding to anyone classified as a marksman like 
RexSaur1 votesI don't think another class SHOULD replace marksmen. What I am saying is that they are the best at their job, and until another class is better at their job I will have trouble accepting the marksman class as being in a bad spot.
Tanks come in and out of the meta, Assassins come and go. The need for them hasn't changed, but rather their effectiveness relative to other classes playing in top / mid / jungle. Untill we see the day when the Marksman class is not the most effective at objective control, sustained DPS, and seige, I cant really accept that they are in a bad place.
You saw what happened with the marksman update. All it takes is numbers tweaks and you have marksman in EVERY position.
TOP
There are marksman class champions with some sort of place in EVERY role. And I am only counting Marksman that we would consider a traditional ADC, not expanding to anyone classified as a marksman like
Tanks havent ever "went away" from the meta every since after season 3.
In fact the only time in the game history where tanks werent straight up top tier was in early season 3 where pen stacking was broken.
And riot keeps giving them more broken masteries.
Spaceman5pff2 votesSome tanks will ALWAYS be meta, just because they have super safe lanes.
I just find it funny that when ANY class other than marksman or mage is seen every single game in either pro or normal play, people start losing their shit over diversity and balance.
Mordepool1 votesWhy do so many people hate ADC so much? The class is in fact in a bad spot right now, marksmen are having alot of trouble doing their jobs. And yes, ADC has to be meta, they are ranged because that is the best way to balance the position and the class. Why should another class replace marksmen?
They should be in a bad spot they should have to struggle for Victory getting it handed to them by Riot for the last 4 years has made marksmen players weak
420 grams1 votesRiven with CoC
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Riven with CoC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHtAN3mG9I&index=12&list=PL8kC0mcm5VFzZr74SLbRhvQiU2A7bFSwW
Best Ekko NA1 votesTo be honest this:
Needs nurfed or completely removed from the game. Then just about every tank will actually become fairly balanced.
Attaching any type of damage to healing is a terrible idea in general. I have no idea how this potion made it out of the drawing board.
Papa Andrei3 votes20 damage at level 6?? Seriously Bamis does more damage
Best Ekko NA1 votes20 damage at level 6?? Seriously Bamis does more damage
No, you are calculating that wrong. The potion lasts 12 seconds, it does 15 - 30 damage over 3 seconds. 12 seconds / 3 seconds DoT gives a maximum possible damage of 60 damage - 120 damage and it works with abilities and auto attacks (so it's extremely easy to proc).
At level 1, that potion does massive damage as it's like having an entire extra ability over the enemy, not to count that it's also healing you a decent amount in the process.
There's simply no way to counter without purchasing the potion yourself when the enemy is a tank like Poppy or Sion who are already a lot tankier than most champions.
On another note, if you take Secret Stash with CP you can also proc it not just 4 times, but 5 times.
That's a massive 75 possible damage at level 1, just for having this potion. That's more than Riven's Q combo at level 1 from this one single potion. Not to mention, the potion comes with 3 charges for a total of 225 damage at level 1.
Whoever put this thing in the game is a terrible human being.
AlienPrimate2 votesYou also lose the base stats of other items for buying it. If you use it at level one you are at a major disadvantage in a few levels when your charges are gone and the enemy still has a doran's item.
Leetri1 votesWait, I thought we had damage creep now and tanks die in 3 autos from an ADC? Which way is it? Tanks can't be invincible and die instantly at the same time.
