When are we taking mages out of top lane?

Chang Ahn·3/4/2020, 6:53:49 PM·1 votes·6,913 views

Why are mages allowed to auto-win top lane into melee matchups, allowed to have infinite poke, cc, damage, at range, while not having any way for most melee champions to have any way to actually touch them in response??? What does a Nasus do to a Ryze, besides getting tower dived 1v1 after getting 400 damage through his wave from the Ryze at level 2? What does a Garen do to a Neeko, what does a Darius do to a Vlad, what does an Aatrox do to a Karma, and why do all of these champions then ALSO get to SCALE into the late game better than most melee champs, while having stupidly high damage in lane, and better roaming potential, and more ways to win the lane and from there impact the game?

Also, why the fuck are statchecks allowed? They are not healthy for the game.

64 Comments

LanceTheJungler3/4/2020, 7:41:59 PM7 votes

Mages are no where near as much a problem in top lane as juggernauts are. As long as juggernauts exist to auto win melee matchups ranged will exist to counter those overtuned juggernauts.

FSRER3/4/2020, 7:15:11 PM5 votes

To be honest, anything that does not belong Toplane and yet somehow finds its way back there, straight up dominates the biggest part of Toplane's normal roster. And that would not be that bad all things considered because we have seen the same things in other lanes (for example, tanks like Sion/Maokai going mid, Bruisers going bot etc) but the problem here is that all other champions except Toplane ones, can carry a game, Toplaner's can't. Just like you said, Vladimir, the one champion that people are so delusional on that will even call him balanced. He can win most matchups and even those that can beat him (Yorick for example) will have way less impact on the game than he will have. This unfortunately is a phenomenon that at this point, can not be changed and in order for us to become anywhere close to relevant to the game, a global lowering in damage would have to happen (which would not affect Toplane) which is impossible.

Ni Hui Shu De3/4/2020, 7:41:51 PM5 votes

Remove ADCs first then we’ll talk about mages. Fucking Hashinshin.

Teémò3/5/2020, 5:21:51 AM5 votes

summoner 6 item 3155 summoner 3 summoner 4 Bruisers don't realize they arguably have some of the best itemization in the game. item 3044 Champs like Urgot Darius can only be so bad. But that drop off means they can only be so good too. Same goes to Teemo ryze can be b.s he's gotten so many dang reworks because of it, but mages like Swain Cassiopeia Chogath Gragas Maokai Fizz Nautilus etc have all found their places in top. And just because champs aren't specifically mages, doesn't mean they won't do ap damage. Jax Shyvana Warwick I don't think mages are impossible, they just aren't dealt with the same way. potions+ those healing cookies that give perma mana though. Ekko xD

Sanity x Agony3/5/2020, 12:56:54 AM5 votes

Imagine having less base ad than fucking support champions Kennen Neeko Crybaby melee mains making top lane ranged champions get gutted. But hey, enjoy the adcs and supports going top now.

Thefrostyviking3/4/2020, 7:11:28 PM5 votes

Any kind of ranged champ will keep going top as long as a number of melee remain auto win lanephase against more ordinary melee with the downside of autolosing against ranged.

Who would ever say no to a free win?

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But for the record, Aatrox and Darius actually win a lot of ranged matchups as far as i know.

billa23143/4/2020, 7:13:02 PM4 votes

Because it is a team game. The ideal is if they push past mid, your jg will help gank them and make it a 2 v 1. Really you are suppose to farm for a while in this game CS, or co-ordinate ganks with your jg. Problem is in solo queue you are right, your jg won't come help you when outranged, or worse the time you finally get an advantage because they are low mana, and go in, their jg will gank so you can never cross mid part of your lane safely to apply tower pressure.

It sucks being outranged, I get it totally. If game is played as a team, it is easier, but usually if like me and say "can you gank top please, they are overextended and I'm getting zoned out from cs" Jg response "Play safe" or none happens way to much and then yep, you lose because of cs lead and they outscale you in long run. Or love this response "You took Garen into Neeko noob, your own fault" never mind she picked after you and counter picked you.

Metal Janna3/5/2020, 1:50:25 AM4 votes

Statchecks eh? You mean like every melee champion having something built into their kit to make it so they can't be peeled should they ever get ino melee range?