I just played a match where one of the summoners had 0 matches played with Sejuani and we lost. How about this: you have to play at least 30 normal matches with a champion to be able to play ranked with that specific champion. This way, everyone would play a decent and fun game, because they learned the mechanics.
It would be awesome. Think about it.
SEKAI7 votesI doubt Riot would implement it even though that sounds convincing.
Since as far as what I have heard, pros use ranked games to try new champs.
30 is too much tho, 10 or hell 5 should be enough to learn the mechanics most of the time unless you're talking about mastering it.
Karthus Karthus1 votesI doubt Riot would implement it even though that sounds convincing.
Since as far as what I have heard, pros use ranked games to try new champs.
30 is too much tho, 10 or hell 5 should be enough to learn the mechanics most of the time unless you're talking about mastering it.
If you can master a champion in 30 matches, you are good.
gubigubi5 votes5 Normal games max. 30 games is absolutely insane to request you would need 16 champions with 30 games in normals to even Que for ranked then... Plus every champion doens't have a giant learning curve that needs 30 games. I owned talon for less than 10 mins before I carried 2 ranked team games with him 16.5/7.5/9 average kda in those 2 games.
For future reference btw don't add noob into your voting options... this is the internet lol
Karthus Karthus1 votes[{quoted}](name=viva la me,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABsw9lqB,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-20T18:49:37.247+0000)
5 Normal games max. 30 games is absolutely insane to request you would need 16 champions with 30 games in normals to even Que for ranked then... Plus every champion doens't have a giant learning curve that needs 30 games. I owned talon for less than 10 mins before I carried 2 ranked team games with him 16.5/7.5/9 average kda in those 2 games.
For future reference btw don't add noob into your voting options... this is the internet lol
Forget about 16 champs. 5 is enough. One for each lane
I Summons I2 votesand what happens when those 5 are banned? There's a reason its 16. Worst case scenario: 6 bans + 9 picks = 15. 16 ensure you will have a champ IN ALL CASES.
gubigubi1 votesYou need 16 5 are picked on each team 5+5 is 10 3 get banned by each team 3+3=6. 15 champions get taken leaving 1 for you if you only have 16 champions.
And this also wouldn't work at all because of trading champions in solo Q and ranked teams games. I bought Udyr and Lee Sin only to trade them with my team I never plan to play those characters so I would then have to play champions I don't want to just to be able to swap with someone.
doubleguac2 votes30 is way too much. Consider the fact that, in order to play draft, you have to have at least 16 champions unlocked. In order to play ranked, you would have to have at least 30 games played with 16 different champions, which is equal to 480 games played minimum, assuming you only play those 16 champions, and you play each of them exactly 30 times. That's an unnecessarily high barrier to entry for new players. It's also unecessarily high for veterans who are trying a relatively new champion in ranked. I've done well with plenty of champions in ranked who I haven't formerly played 30 normal games with.
Karthus Karthus1 votes30 is way too much. Consider the fact that, in order to play draft, you have to have at least 16 champions unlocked. In order to play ranked, you would have to have at least 30 games played with 16 different champions, which is equal to 480 games played minimum, assuming you only play those 16 champions, and you play each of them exactly 30 times. That's an unnecessarily high barrier to entry for new players. It's also unecessarily high for veterans who are trying a relatively new champion in ranked. I've done well with plenty of champions in ranked who I haven't formerly played 30 normal games with.
We implement it for bronze and silver only.
doubleguac1 votesI don't understand how that makes any difference. The point is that requiring 30 games played on a champion before you can take them into ranked is beyond extreme. Assuming an average game lasts 30 minutes, that means that a player would have to use a champion for fifteen hours in order to bring them into ranked. That's crazy.
Would I be opposed to forcing players to try out a champion in 1-3 games before bringing him/her to ranked? Sure, that sounds reasonable, though I don't really care either way.
But anything more than even a 5 game requirement seems unnecessary and draconian to me.
AbodyHUN6661 votes^Pretty much this.
Stars Shaper1 votesWhile ofc having experience with said champion is surely a boon, it's not playing him/her a lot that makes you good. I've first timed Vel'Koz against exprienced Zeds and still stoped them inlane.
Convex1 votesI suggested this 8 months ago and got downvoted to shit.
Karthus Karthus1 votes[{quoted}](name=K9 Cane Patrol,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABsw9lqB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2014-12-20T18:09:23.950+0000)
I suggested this 8 months ago and got downvoted to shit.
People change :D
SeCKS Egai1 votesFirst off, to answer your initial question - Teambuilder has allowed me to play with players far better than I normally would. I had a diamond solo que/challenger team ranked player wreck me mid like I was a b5.
The problem with your logic is you make the assumption that more experience equals better play.
How is it I can spend the majority of my time in co-op matches and consistently make silver whereas people who almost exclusively pvp and have 3 times my normal wins still find themselves in the bowels of bronze?
Getting annoyed and frustrated with teammates is nothing new. You're overestimating the value of experience without considering the importance of understanding.
You'd be far better off focusing on things like removing duo-que to eliminate variance or ensuring they at least have two full tier 3 rune pages =P
Karthus Karthus2 votes[{quoted}](name=SeCKS Egai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABsw9lqB,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2014-12-20T19:57:14.858+0000)
First off, to answer your initial question - Teambuilder has allowed me to play with players far better than I normally would. I had a diamond solo que/challenger team ranked player wreck me mid like I was a b5.
The problem with your logic is you make the assumption that more experience equals better play.
How is it I can spend the majority of my time in co-op matches and consistently make silver whereas people who almost exclusively pvp and have 3 times my normal wins still find themselves in the bowels of bronze?
Getting annoyed and frustrated with teammates is nothing new. You're overestimating the value of experience without considering the importance of understanding.
You'd be far better off focusing on things like removing duo-que to eliminate variance or ensuring they at least have two full tier 3 rune pages =P
More experience equals better play. Period. You learn something new from every match. At least i do.
Think about your build when you first start with a new champion. You learn in what order should you buy them, depending on specific situations. 5 matches don't make a difference.
I don't care about that match. I played very poorly myself, because i didn't really knew what i was doing there. I started playing Morgana today. Her mechanics are very basic. After a bot-match, i started playing normal, and after 2 matches i played ranked. I won some i lost more.
I think that champions are too accessible right now. The reward would be greater if you'd have to make some kind of commitment to a champion.
Moll1 votesThe ones that get me in champion select go.... OMG i dont have a support i must mid or feed.
Also people who beg for position stating i WIN lane all the time and there win rate is less then 40% on said champion.
TheKingDodo1 votesAlternate accounts and PBE exists unfortunately :(
Kowe The Ewok1 votesAnd then nobody can fill and we suddenly see "trollpicks" all over ranked simply because you suddenly can't choose your 29 victories Soraka while being forced to support.
Raptamei1 votesIn your next normal game:
"Idgaf I need X number of Poppy games so I pick Poppy support, suck it".
NoMonku1 votesI think it is too many. I wish there could be a match requirement as it would then somewhat guarantee a better overall match, but I think it would be putting up too many "barriers" to people who are casual or don't have the time. Also it would be annoying to me anytime I would want to use a champion I tried on a smurf or something on my new account in ranked, but I had to go through the normal game requirement to just get access to them. I don't think something like this should be implemented, though I wouldn't dislike it if it did.