Why can junglers gank lane pre 2 minutes being a level ahead and be able to practically one shot you

qabboy··1 votes·958 views

I have had this happen game after game after game you dont push lane youre in the middle of the lane you ward your teammates camp so that the enemy doesnt invade you instantly get punished every time by the enemy jungler ganking your lane.

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Saezio2 votes

If you are not 100% sure where every enemy is assume they are in the FoW nearest to you. Junglers didn't WANT to have to gank gank gank, but it was deemed unacceptable for junglers to be able to powerfarm and go for scaling so. :/

Crispy0Snake1 votes

Oh god xD you died, tp'd and died again vs darius

I think J4 started topside (Maybe if you looked bot and saw they didn't give a leesh you could've played defensive and not died), and you played aggro so he thought "Imma lvl 2 gank with EQ". Best thing to do is tell your jgl to go invade his botside, don't tp back to the wave, and accept that it was just a successful gank.

qabboy1 votes

i tpd back to tower not wave and proceded to sit within tower range he ganked again and one shot me again.

Crispy0Snake1 votes

If darius hit apprehend and j4 did eq aa with electrocute... that's the only way I see you dying. Even then you can respect Darius's apprehend range and stay out of it

ChaosReyn1 votes

Well, even if he dove to reach that apprehend range, I don't see him living such an early dive.

Saezio1 votes

Just don't tp back if your own jungler ain't there to back u up and you don't 100% know the enemy Jg has gone away. Also, you got towerdove under tower level 2 and they didn't die? Must have been some hell of good turret juggling

cars3n1 votes

To counter champs likeCamille JarvanIV Twitch you literally just have to play safe, for like, a minute?

ChaosReyn1 votes

Certain junglers do this far more than others...the most notable is twitch. Certain comps are also set for it. The best way is to simply recognize the threat and play around it. Possibly pick around it in champ select, and definitely play around it in lane by playing very passively and being prepared to immediately slap the jungler senseless, as these early ganks mean they're coming in with lower-than-your-laner hp.

There's plenty of warning signs. If you notice any of the following, note they're likely going to invade and/or cheese gank you:

Certain Junglers - Ivern (Although his gank is really more of a pathing through mid to the scuttle in the opposite river, if he lands his Q and E's his lane, you can still have a rough time) LeeSin (A total sweat move, some pretty prominent Lee players can simply take red and yeet it to mid or bot...though most will more likely attempt to invade the opposing jungle, since the opposing jungle can't stop them from just ward-hopping out whenever they feel like it anyway) Nidalee (super low effort, doesn't even technically have to gank you, just chucks a casual spear while she's on crab and potentially chunks like 40% of your hp for no reason and decides to follow it up) Shaco (The OG of cheese...I'm not even gonna make a cutout for this one) Twitch (Will almost 100% of the time attempt to gank bot or mid fresh off his red.) XinZhao Funny enough, I've been seeing a lot of Xin cheese ganks lately. His high early damage and innate healing pretty much means he can casually waltz into your lane, gapclose, and 3 shot you with PTA or Conqueror without worrying about his HP or clear time suffering much)

Certain Mids - This is pretty much a "feed the jungler" boosting strat, and it's all pretty much the same goal: play a mid who doesn't really need much strength to be super relevant to the game (the most common sign is a support mid lane) and just allow the jungler to pretty much constantly come through, camp you, take your farm, take the kills, and become god. Any of these champions paired with a hypercarry jungler (such as Yi, Xin, Nocturne, or RekSai) is a potential (and sometimes definite) sign of the jng boost strat:

Almost Definite: Alistar Bard Braum Janna Leona Lulu Nami Rakan Taric

Possible: Morgana Pyke Sona Soraka Zilean

You didn't ask for all this...but that's pretty much all the information I can give out regarding how to spot these kind of games. As for how to handle them, you simply have to accept that you're going to get pushed in, and do your best to freeze the lane just outside of tower range...and focus the jungler, not the mid, if they show up.

Crispy0Snake1 votes

I only see Phase rush or hail of blades Xin. Both are really good for level 2 cheese ganks though

ChaosReyn1 votes

I've yet to see Phase Rush, but it makes sense. PTA is overrated, but I still see it more than HoB. Must be a meta shift to see more of those, now that Conqueror's apeshit damage has finally been addressed.

Crispy0Snake1 votes

Yeah I think Xin isn't sticky enough to get full use out of PTA, and that's why it's not taken

HoB is really good with the attack speed buff from your E, because your Q knockup happens before the E slow wears off pretty much, gives you good burst

Phase rush just allows you to stick to enemies or leave one for dead then catch up to another enemy, flash with the knockup, W... man I've had such a blast playing that champ, I started trying it after watching Tarzaned's guides on him

ChaosReyn2 votes

You can probably tell I'm not really a jungler. xD

Either way, knowing how to spot the sneaky bois before they reach you is pretty much a core mechanic or the game as a whole at this point.

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