Senna is a bit nuts

We'll have to see how much money Riot makes off of her, before we can fairly judge how busted/useful/op/broken/useless she is.

I remember like a week or two ago people on the forums was telling everyone to stop over reacting since she has no AD scaling,low AS and her E is just a camoflauge.

Now that shes out anyone with even minor skill in adc and landing skill shots can dominate their lane.

Her damage is just too strong and her range is too long. Plus playing her ADC and solo lane should not be as viable as it is but since she can get stacks from hitting champs and has a large/increasing range she is essentially rewarding you for bullying the enemy out of lane over getting all CS.

I think she is compensated a bit too much for perceived weaknesses.

She's expected to be an ADC support. ADCs are generally weak in the lane, Supports are generally supposed to be strong in lane.

They gave her range AND base values to live through lane and function as support. On the concept that she will be vs another adc and an actual support.

She's hardly Riots most egregious release monster, but she's a touch overtuned because they try to make her useful in 2 opposing roles. They did the same to Pyke.

She has too many strengths. New champions tend to under perform where they'll settle, she'll be too strong once people are good with her.

OP OP OP freelo

I want to see her win rate for 2 or 3 patches before Riot makes any decisions. OP.GG says she's hovering around 47-48.5% for ADC and Support. Just play a support with hard engage like Pyke, Thresh, Leona or Blitzcrank. Senna can't do much if her ADC is pulled or stunned.

• Her healing is lackluster.
• If she's not behind or aligned with her allies she'll have to decide between healing them or damaging you. You have to force fights and not let her poke you.
• She's has less CC and peel than the average support. She can't stop a fed assassin and most champions will run over her. Her team will either be forced to build around her and pick more tanks or they won't, in which case her ADC will have less peel.
• Her strong point is her damage but her Q pushes waves, just gank her.
• She's very immobile. Even with her E she only gets a 20% speed boost. She might avoid leveling her E for more damage too.
• She's very feast or famine. When she falls behind she falls behind really hard. Senna not being able to collect souls or get gold from Frostfang is a huge problem I have if I fall behind when playing her.

My only problem with Senna is that they designed her to be an ADC and Support, and not as a Support that feels like your playing an ADC. If they do nerf her though I hope they hit her damage, not her range, and I hope they raise her AP ratios slightly as compensation.

I think Senna is mostly fine, but Riot put too much emphasis in her damage. She's a support first and foremost, and I notice a lot of people playing her tend to forget that due to how much damage she has loaded into her kit. I think there should be some shift of power in her kit, less damage and more supporting.

While I do believe she needs some early game nerfs, I don't think she's broken. You can shut her down pretty hard with Naut or Leona

They should have just given lux her global lazer back. It doesn't make sense for senna to have it.

I suggested before to have Senna's ult do an umbra penumbra effect where the umbra damages but range is relatively short and the penumbra can go much further for shield. Even global range for shield.

Anyone who is tagging on to this post obviously hasn't played Senna, has been on the receiving end up a match they were not prepared for, and is thinking of her in a bubble.

Senna dies 2-3 times as much as , and usually averages less damage than one.

People cry about her Auto attack range, yet her skill hit is in line or closer range on average than champs she plays against.

Her damage rate is garbage. She literally has to be heavy fed to actually do significant damage.

775 range sounds like a lot...... until you realize players have been closing gaps versus Lux/Morgana/Xerath etc for YEARS.

She is busted. Screw playing her as support, I've been playing her as ADC and dominating.

Her starting range is 600. I've been getting to 775 AA Range with ease (140 stacks)....That is RIDICULOUS. Not to mention all the FREE CRIT, FREE AD, FREE LS, AND Gold she gets. And that's not even her entire passive! She still deals % Current HP (Think up to 16%? maybe higher didn't look at it at lvl 18) every 2 instances of damage that she can proc every 4s on a champion. Deals increased Damage and gains MS on-hit. AND her AAs are not Projectiles. And what are the down sides? Oh her Crits deal 35% reduced damage (Irrelevant), Her AA wind-up time is slightly increased, which is reduced by AS, and she doesn't gain AA per lvl. Other ADCs gain roughly 3 AD per lvl. which means after 55 Souls she has gained more AD than other ADCs get at lvl 18.....and she can easily get 55 souls by lvl 10 or so....I mean I'm getting 140 stacks by end of game on average....lol.... That in its self is SOOOOOOOOOOO much free stats, with out even including the other parts.......Her stacking mechanic is easily the STRONGEST infinite stacking mechanic........

All this mind you is her passive....then her Kit is Overloaded as well lolz.......

What a fair, fun, and balanced champion.

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Those skins better be selling like healthcare. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Senna's Q ability length and width is ridiculous, when I first saw it on release day I immediately knew it must be nerfed. If you face Lux/Senna in bot lane you're basically Thanos-snapped out of existence, especially if your support plays anything less than 300 IQ.

After level 6 though, its just the W skill shot root that's the real threat. As a support main, I feel they should just decrease the width of the Q since you can back-line snipe with it anyway.

What I would rather Riot do is nerf her damage completely like Pyke and make her just a heal-only support marksman, and make it so you need 40 soul stacks if you even want to think about dealing damage. The amount of garbage bot lane has to contend with is disgusting.

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She does too much damage for a support

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Ohho but remember she's not just a support she's also a Marksman. I hate these hybrid champions there's never a good balance for them and Riot really needs to stop with this bs character design.

I played vs her many times she doesn’t seem too broken tbh, especially when things like exist

Such topics always highlight the strengths and never the weaknesses. I played with Senna ADCs, mids and tops and if the enemy laner is just a bit competent, then she will be shut down. She will never be a good ADC, because she doesn't have reliable burst nor DPS. She is doing mini burst at best. Also, she is probably the only "ADC", whose AA isn't near immediate therefore she is the most vulnerable to AA cancels. She renders herself immobile for a short time, when she is attacking someone, so you can just walk out her AA range and her AA gets cancelled. The only other champion I know, who is that vulnerable to AA cancels is .

She is so squishy with no dash, jump, blink or anything crazy. Her ult damage is almost nill. Her "cc" isn't long and isn't instant. Her scaling relies on passive only. Her e doesn't make her invisible. She isn't crazy healing like nami or soraka. She only relies on q as damage. She is fine. She is fine

I think she has too much damage, range and safety. she plays more like a mid laner then a support with almost no punishment when trading. it makes her super annoying to deal with. she is may perma ban for mid if someone on my team doesn't call her out

The amount of people who main her and who defend her in such a short period of time should say a lot. And while seeing her in every game is normal because she is the new champion, I rarely see her lose a game and I still haven't seen her lose lane once.

I think she's probably slightly better than she should be but not so crazy they'll have to delete her or anything. I do still think her kit has a major bias towards pro play, with global shields, her E incentivizing team play, her W being a setup for wombo combos, etc. If this champion gets killed it will be because of pro play. As for solo queue, like I said maybe a little strong but nowhere near the Kai'sa/Lee Sin/insertOPchamp tier.

Senna is fine as it is, perfectly balanced. You dare to speak about her when you have other more stupid op abominations like zed, yasuo, qiyana, kaisa and the list go on and you want a balanced champion to be nerfed cause your bad enough to avoid her damage and skill shots.

If she get focused by a stun or something she is dead in 1 second. Also how the hell is senna strong early? Not even close like the other broken champions

Typical Unrank - bronze - silver random ppl in this forum

She has a good win rate for someone who just came out... i made a post like 2 days ago talking about how she was a little busted and it got mass downvoted- LMAO

She doesn't do enough damage and dies instantly to anything... Nah... She needs buffs if anything... Very weak. No sarcasm.