In Bronze 4, I won 6 games in a row and was only getting 9-11 LP a win. I then lose 2 in a row and lose 26 and 24 LP respectively. 2 loses basically negated the points of 6 wins. If this normal or did i just end up in the statistically worse losses possible.
Sailor Mint4 votesIt's a common misconception that Bronze V is the lowest you can go.
The expected MMR for a Bronze V player is ~800. You are around 500MMR. To put it in perspective, if we added two more leagues below Bronze (i.e.: Tin and Wood), you'd be roughly Wood I MMR.
Until your MMR catches up to your current division, you'll be seeing negative LP gains in divisions over Bronze V (there doesn't appear to be clamping in Bronze V.).
LXII2 votes[{quoted}](name=Devi Freak Mint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A61GxF3b,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-03-23T13:38:42.305+0000)
It's a common misconception that Bronze V is the lowest you can go.
- The MMR system appears to go from 0 to 3000.
- The starting point appears to be around 1100.
- Over 95% of the population is between 700 and 2500.
- MMR doesn't get reset between seasons.
The expected MMR for a Bronze V player is ~800. You are around 500MMR. To put it in perspective, if we added two more leagues below Bronze (i.e.: Tin and Wood), you'd be roughly Wood I MMR.
Until your MMR catches up to your current division, you'll be seeing negative LP gains in divisions over Bronze V (there doesn't appear to be clamping in Bronze V.).
Tin and wood.. I almost died. lol
Aww Kat1 votesThat's how mine is. It's because of our MMR.
LXII1 votesIt's based on MMR. That being said, it's still bullshit. I'm currently Silver 5 and it takes 3 wins for me to cover one loss.
Sailor Mint1 votesYou should be careful, that's a sign that you're getting close to getting demoted.
LXII1 votes[{quoted}](name=Devi Freak Mint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A61GxF3b,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-03-23T13:13:33.575+0000)
You should be careful, that's a sign that you're getting closed to getting demoted.
It's probably a sign of "I literally just got there" lol. I was stuck in bronze for sooo long, and just hit Silver like 2 days ago.
Karlyr1 votesjust keep track of your win/loses. Its way more motivating. (especially if your win-rate is above 50%)
LXII1 votesjust keep track of your win/loses. Its way more motivating. (especially if your win-rate is above 50%)
Just barely above, but above indeed. Since you seem well versed maybe you can answer a few questions. First, how much lp do you lose for a dodge? Second, is there a short answer for how exactly MMR works in correlation to climbing the ranks?
Kanamoto1 votesEssentially, your LP/League chases your MMR. If your MMR is higher than expected for your current League/Division, you gain substantially more than you lose. On my smurf that has low Plat MMR, I gain 30 per win and lose about 7 per loss in Gold 5. One of my buddies who's in silver loses and gains the same as the OP with a substantially below 50% win rate.
Devi Freak Mint's description below is pretty accurate, though I had a chuckle at tin and wood.
As for dodging, from the League wikia: "Dodging queues may also, to a smaller degree, affect the difference between your MMR and LP (-3LP per first dodge of the day, -10 thereafter)." link
Kanamoto1 votesAdditionally, it is possible to advance while the system thinks you should be placed lower than you currently are - if you continue winning more than you lose, your MMR will swing upwards, and your LP gains will shift accordingly.
Karlyr1 votes1- You lose 3LP for a single dodge, you lose more if you become a "serial" dodger. (AKA dodging 2-3-4 games in a row) If I'm not mistaken, you begin to lose MMR if you dodge more than 1 in a row. A red could probably help me on that one.
2- Well back in the days (S1) you were winning/losing 10-15 points depending on the difference between your team elo and the ennemy team elo. (gaining more if the ennemy team was "stronger" than you and losing less, and the opposite for the opposite case (winning less / losing more)) Technically, the MMR system behind the League system should be relatively the same (because when they made the switch they said that it would just be an interface.) Unless, they changed something crucial in the last season, the system should be the same.
LXII1 votes1- You lose 3LP for a single dodge, you lose more if you become a "serial" dodger. (AKA dodging 2-3-4 games in a row) If I'm not mistaken, you begin to lose MMR if you dodge more than 1 in a row. A red could probably help me on that one.
2- Well back in the days (S1) you were winning/losing 10-15 points depending on the difference between your team elo and the ennemy team elo. (gaining more if the ennemy team was "stronger" than you and losing less, and the opposite for the opposite case (winning less / losing more)) Technically, the MMR system behind the League system should be relatively the same (because when they made the switch they said that it would just be an interface.) Unless, they changed something crucial in the last season, the system should be the same.
Thanks, appreciate the info on that. I didn't play when they had the elo system and whatnot, so I've just always known LP and Divisions.
Serakhar1 votesIn Bronze 4, I won 6 games in a row and was only getting 9-11 LP a win. I then lose 2 in a row and lose 26 and 24 LP respectively. 2 loses basically negated the points of 6 wins. If this normal or did i just end up in the statistically worse losses possible.
first of all you have to look at the the % of win-lose games then at the side of the loss (blue or red):
if you have more losses you gonna earn less points for a win (if you keep on winning you gain more points for a win not for the streak but because you're reaching the 50% win-loss)
the fun part starts now:
on blue side you always gonna take less lp for a win and lose more lp for a loss; when you are on red side you lose less points for a loss and take more points for a win
hope that helped to
Raja Chachki1 votesthe spell is called Clarity, not Clarify. U sure u were using the right context?
Karlyr1 votesAll you have to remember is that your MMR is getting better. And thats all that should matter. The LP system is really far off what's behind the scene (AKA the elo system that LoL had prior to S3).
People are going crazy for an "auto-lose" if you dodge in promos. Dodging doesn't affect your MMR. And thats all that should matter.
Sirin Gioro1 votesI fucking lose the same amount of LP I win. Can't climb. But ya op, that means that your MMR isn't high enough TO THE SYSTEM apparently
Kanamoto1 votesIf you lose the same amount you win, your MMR is currently 'perfect'. 50% win/loss should keep you in exactly the same spot, so that's working as intended.
Sirin Gioro1 votesIf you lose the same amount you win, your MMR is currently 'perfect'. 50% win/loss should keep you in exactly the same spot, so that's working as intended.
Nah Riot just hates me. I have 106/84 win ratio. I win 20 more games than I lose yet i still gain and lose the same amount of LP. I only gain insane amounts of points when I play Janna. Rito, I get it now...
Kanamoto1 voteshttp://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/53810479
Have a look at your LP gain/loss curve, there. You're trending more losses than wins at the moment, causing your LP to drop.
You have to -consistently- be winning more than losing to go up.
.. Or you're just trolling me, which is entirely feasible.
Sirin Gioro1 voteshttp://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/53810479
Have a look at your LP gain/loss curve, there. You're trending more losses than wins at the moment, causing your LP to drop.
You have to -consistently- be winning more than losing to go up.
.. Or you're just trolling me, which is entirely feasible.
Nah I'm not trolling, I've been losing a lot recently I forgot you have to win consistently to climb higher. :^)
Ataraxic1 votesvery normal. sadly
PL551 votesI gain a lot of lp for winning, but I either lose a bunch or lose nothing. I usually get around 25-30 lp for each win, and I either lose almost nothing or after i fail my promos I go down to 50 lp.
ccseancc1431 votesHonestly a good thing to do is when you go on a losing streak is just play blind pick alot and stomp and it raises your mmr. My friend who was bronze 5 last season was placed silver 3 this season becuase his mmr was so high.
