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SparksFFF··2 votes·473 views

Ok. I finally have the nerve to ask this and question the living hell out of the meta. Shyvana is built as an AD tank jungle. or an AD Tank top laner...why?... her Q yes is ad...but her ult. her E (THAT EVERYONE BITCHES DOESN'T DO DAMAGE.) and her W are all magic....accept w with scales with both AD and AP...so..why are you taking the tanks...strongest asset? and throwing it out the window? she seems like a mid game late game AP tank like maokai. SEj and shit like that..so why build her ad? why not build her with ap? instead of something like the item 3748 why notitem 3151 ? and the continue to build the tanky items. hell since she uses magic damage item 3001 thats fucking great on her. shes a close range fighter especially with her ult...pop that on her and your allies and you all do more damage. why are you building her as an AD Tank and not an AP Tank? she's almost all magic damage accept her Q. which you can litterly just fix that by item 3115 which would increase both her attack speed and give her tons more damage when using the q anyway if you build her as an ap tank...why are you complaining thats shes underpowered when your literately building her wrong?! what did i miss?! im seriously asking....what is going on!? whyyyy!!?!?!?!?!?!

12 Comments

MinaZer02 votes

her E does alot of damage, Max E second after W, also shes much stronger on-hit, not AP tank.

SparksFFF1 votes

ive seen posts were people say her e doesn't do any damage building her as a burst ap tank in some of these special maps like nexus siege ascension and stuff like that i nuke down squishes and take a hell of a beating. it works for me use the ult to engage do mass amounts of damage use the e to hit the squishes and make them back off or run use your w and q to catch them and finish them off then focus on the tanks. and it works for me...(of course this is when i have a team that actually follows up.)

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

W scales on 20% bonus AD and 10% AP, and is lengthened by her auto attacks. E scales off of 30% AP and applies a debuff that she can proc with auto attacks. Q is self explanatory.

Her AP ratios (aside from her R) are very low, and her abilities all function with autos. Her W magic damage also increases with AD. It just makes more sense overall.

SparksFFF1 votes

i must be wierd then because it makes more since for ap to me then ad...

Otherworldz1 votes

If you haven't noticed her AP scalings are terrible for a reason. She isn't meant to be built hybrid or as an AP champion she will scale terribly.

Shyvana is meant to build Attack Speed/AD/On hit effects, that's why her q has a low CD, she is meant to spam the life out of it. She benefits the most from on hit effects because her Q will apply it twice in addiction to normal auto attacks.

The only non tank items a Shyvana should ever build is a BOTRK/Black Cleaver/Titanic Hydra/Bloodrazor, and titanic Hydra is basically her bread and butter.

Immaculate Rhea1 votes

It's not so much that she "should" but it's what's expected of anyone who plays her. In truth, she could technically do well in either an on-hit or AP aspect, depending on how she's built, how you play and who you're up against. The burst damage on her E at max rank in dragon form, even before 18 is actually decent. Yeah, the ap scaling is down to 30% now but the damage isn't terrible.

Majority of her kit is magic based anyhow. But it all really depends on your playstyle and personal preferences

SparksFFF1 votes

preformances in matches speak over scaling ap tank works well for me..and i do wonderful with it.

thats why im questioning it. i do better with ap over ad. that doesn't make me terrible to question a build when i have better results with a different one

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Yes, and performance in matches has said that she is meant to be built AD and not AP.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean anything. For instance, I could go full damage maokai in a bronze game and do really well; doesn't mean full damage builds are optimal for him.

LankPants1 votes

She's built AD because everything in her kit scales better with it.

Basically you buy a BotRK because BotRK is the most broken AS item and all of Shyvana's skills scale up with AS as well as several scaling with on-hits really nicely too.

From there you don't really have room for any more offence for a few items. You need things like Sunfire/Cinderhulk, Randuin's, Spirit Visage or GA for at least 2 items so you don't just explode. Now you've filled 4 slots with Boots/BotRK/2 defensive items and you have two available. What decides the best 5th item here is synergy. You already have a lot of AS and a lot of HP, these are basically the two factors that make Titanic a very good item. You then usually round out your kit with a Frozen Mallet because the slow helps you stay relevant into the late game where your damage starts to lose a bit of its edge.

Basically she builds the way she does because of synergies between items and the need for durability as well as her generally superior AD scalings. Her AP ratios also aren't the greatest ever, her ult has a decent ratio and her E's not horrible but it's just not enough to justify large AP purchases, it more makes Rage Blade feel less shit if you go down that path.

One thing worthy of note is that the PBE iteration of Abyssal will probably be pretty good on her. It's getting its AP swapped out for HP while retaining its magic amp passive which will probably make it a great defensive item for her, especially considering SV is already pretty meh and only really bought because she lacks better options.

SparksFFF1 votes

thank you that is a more civilized explanatory comment which i greatly appreciate over the insults and such others have said. it does make more since now. i looked at her kit and saw mostly AP which is why i was more focused on it. i do tend to do better with ap. but at-least now with civilized discussion the meta does make more sense to me.

Incognonymous1 votes

On hit off-tanks used to be a big deal. I assume her updated design is a holdover from when things like Ionic Spark, Wit's End, Malady, MBR, etc. were around, and you actually had Sunfire Capes every game.

It's a shame they were axed. It was a good, healthy alternative to what exists now.

Immaculate Rhea1 votes

With the changes coming to tank items, item 3001 might actually be worth taking on her to not only give tankiness, but also increase the magic damage done to enemies.

I never do Full AP on Shyv, but I sometimes run item 3115for the on-hit so her Q is still useful and CDR item 3151+ item 3116+DFT to make the most of her W, E and the scorched earth on E item 3068tankiness and burn damage item 3065tankiness and CDR item 3020 magic pen.

Shyvana can really be built either way, but the meta and how she's built has her stuck in the on-hit ad bruiser path. It's not really bad (it's actually pretty frigging good), but it gets old from time to time

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