I still think Kindred and Evelynn's stats should be fixed.

IIIIKindredIIII··18 votes·2,135 views

I'm concerned for the balance for Evelynn and Kindred. These two should be re-examined to be fixed. They are way too squishy for their roles even with a professional hand. Please note that yes proper builds can enforce them they are almost useless when it comes to sufficiency for team fights of any kind. I'm not sure if I am correct as many others may have a different opinion, but why make characters that are almost useless. Ashe is considered "squishy", but at least she has proper stats. Just please consider in remaking the stats. I hate to see great character concepts go to waste. The meta isn't even helping the situation for them either. I know and understand that the balancing team is making hard decisions for this, but they need to be a bit better if they want to make this game better. Yes a decision can lead to another mistake, but that's where trial and error comes in. Don't release something that you haven't properly tested out yet it makes no sense in the long run. Finally, I must repeat myself when I say fix Kindred and Evelynn. I can't stress that enough although there are many other characters that aren't even properly fixed yet, but these 2 I think have the most problems. Thanks for your time.

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Chembaron Yamada11 votes

I agree that Kindred could use some love. If I remember correctly, it got stated that they are thinking of a way to buff them by giving them a new interaction with the stat crit chance. Like they did for other marksmen in the marksman update (Quinn Passive cd scales with crit, MF ult is able to mini crit). Interaction with the stat crit seems to be a new design concept for marksmen and I am really interested what they are able to think of for Kindred.

Evelynn on the other hand is receiving a complete VGU soon. The team currently working on Galio will start to rework Evelynn when he is going live. So it just would be wasted effort to do alot of changes to her now. She probably gets pushed more in the direction of an assassin and away from her current diver identity, like her fantasy is intended too. Just be patient, looking at what they did for Yorick and Warwick, I bet she will turn out fine.

Cowseed1 votes

Isn't it Galio then Urgot?

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

Urgot is the next rework after Galio, if you mean that. That's correct. But I talk about the team working on Galio. There are 2 rework teams and they are alternating the releases of their reworks. One is working on Galio right now and the other one just finished Warwick and moved on to Urgot. So Urgot will be the next after Galio, but what I mean is that the team currently working on Galio will move on to rework Evelynn afterwards.

So the order is: Galio Urgot Evelynn [...]

Cowseed1 votes

Oh. OOOOOHhhhh.

Rammus

IIIIKindredIIII1 votes

I can agree with that. Its just that I really want all the champions to have great potential. Its like when you have a favorite game you really want to be able to use any champion even if you don't play them often, but you expect them to be pretty fair in terms of use. I mean yeah there is going to be some mistakes in the creation process , but I feel like they should at least test it before releasing them. I'm not entirely sure that they do test them, but i'm sure they are trying to figure something out that works the best.

Gosh Darn3 votes

Evelynn's receiving a VGU, but I think you need to look at her stats again. She has one of the highest base AR stats in the game and her hp is over 2k at lvl 18 which is more in line with tanks than mages or slayers. Evelynn's issue is that she's like Cho'gath. Her abilities aren't weak they're just clunky as hell. Honestly playing her feels like flipping a coin if the enemy will get away or die.

WinTheWarOnPants3 votes

2k at lvl 18 which is more in line with tanks than mages or slayers.

Wtf? that is such an arbitrary thing to complain about lol Talon Jayce both have higher base HP at lvl 18...

Gosh Darn1 votes

I'm not complaining about it, the OP says she's squishy, I simply stated that she's not. She's right behind Malphite in armor and is not lacking for HP either. Her ult also gives her a huge shield if used properly. She's getting a rework soon so it's not really going to matter anyways, but all I said was she's not squishy, I made absolutely no complaints.

WinTheWarOnPants3 votes

then why would you look at lvl 18? lvl 1 she has the lowest base HP of all melee champs with the exception of Yasuo andMordekaiser both of which have passive shields. wait.. are you a parasite?

Gosh Darn1 votes

Lol really? Namecalling me a parasite because I say she's not squishy... very mature.

I IS TOP SNEK1 votes

Did you really just not get a reference to your own name reference? twice?

IIIIKindredIIII1 votes

When I say she is squishy i'm talking about her abilities starting out in jungle compared to most of the others.

Gosh Darn2 votes

Fair point, I agree with that, but I think that's mostly a problem with the new jungle and her early clearing problems keep her in check so she's not got 3 kills 5 minutes in.

IIIIKindredIIII1 votes

Agreed.

WinTheWarOnPants3 votes

Eve is fine. She has to be squish since shes an assassin. I'm an Eve one trick and I play her almost exclusively so i know what i'm talking about.

these 2 I think have the most problems.

Not even close. kindred seems like she is in a rough place, but it's a HUGE exaggeration to say she has the most problems Urgot Galio Nidalee RekSai i could go on.

AninLegions7771 votes

All those you mentioned except Nida are fine. They aren't just popular now.

WinTheWarOnPants2 votes

well... no... urgot and galio have very toxic gameplay and reksai has been nerfed so many times shes almost unplayable if you want to win. point was that OP was either exaggerating or doesn't know wtf he's talking about cause these champs are worse off than kindred and there are many more.

IIIIKindredIIII1 votes

Once again, I was just saying that I thought she had the most problems. I'm not sure that is the case, but It's just what my opinion is at the moment. That's why I said i'm sure there are others that have some pretty bad problems as well.

AninLegions7771 votes

Urgot and galio are set for reworks (Shocking isn't it? :O) And Rek'Sai is still seen in competitive play. People don't pick her now cos there are more "OP" options.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

Urgot and galio are set for reworks (Shocking isn't it? :O)

no lol its not.(i don't understand why you're being sarcastic to agree with me). I couldn't care less about competative, but Last i checked reksai had like a 20% winrate in LCS. she is picked for 2 reasons 1. her tremor sense, and 2. LCS is a dead AF meta and they only pick what is "meta" and "safe".

side rant: fuk LCS...

AninLegions7771 votes

Beginning rant: Fuk LCS...

Pick Rek'sai and play 10 normals with her. You'll see she's still viable. Has decent damage, cc, etc. Safest jungle cos you can pinpoint incoming enemies included stealthed ones.

InHaruhiWeTrust1 votes

I used to play reksai all the time and she was one of my favorite jgs. Anyone can be viable, but don't play RekSai if you want to win. She has been totally destroyed with nerfs. she has almost no impact now since they have pretty much nerfed every part of her kit. her tremor is unreliable now because of the delay, all of her dmg was almost gutted, her E CD was increased by like 10 seconds so that you almost never have it when you need it and you never have tunnels on the map to ult to, and even her utl CD was increased by like 40 seconds or some shit. right now just is gimped as hell and you are doing your team a huge disservice by playing her. Play her all you want in norms(i still do from time to time), but it's close to reportable to play her in ranked.(obvious exaggeration)(i'm dying a little inside knowing i have to clarify that)

IIIIKindredIIII1 votes

I was just saying that I thought she had the most problems. I'm not sure that is the case, but It's just what my opinion is at the moment. That's why I said i'm sure there are others that have some pretty bad problems as well.

WinTheWarOnPants1 votes

IMO kindred was poorly designed(kit wise. Her theme and character is one of the best in the game IMO). Her kit not only fits horribly with her theme, but doesn't work for what they want her to be. She is essentially the reverse case of the "adc" Mordekaiser abomination that certainlyT made. at least that's how i see it.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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They are way too squishy for their roles even with a professional hand.

I somewhat agree but Evelynn's base stats cannot be increased without hitting her damage.

I do think that would be a healthier state for Evelynn but Riot has a VERY long history of utterly dumpstering her whenever they touch anything on her kit (Barring two exceptions (IN 7 YEARS!)).

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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I somewhat agree but Evelynn's base stats cannot be increased without hitting her damage.

I do think that would be a healthier state for Evelynn but Riot has a VERY long history of utterly dumpstering her whenever they touch anything on her kit (Barring two exceptions (IN 7 YEARS!)).

Remember when they buffed her Q's damage, then changed their minds and removed 20 off it so thatit was weaker than the first time they gutted the ability? Or how its still oneof the only abilities in the game that needs to be leveled before it can do any form of respectable damage? Oh but we got on hit Ravage...

SaltyKracka2 votes

Kindred has the base stats she has now because the base stats she had before proved to be flat out retarded.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

Kindred is a largely unhealthy character. "Why make characters that are almost useless"

  • Riot doesn't do that. But when they make champs that are so toxic at a fundamental level they just break their numbers until they have time to make fundamental changes (see also Urgot, Taric, Soraka, Poppy).
Silencega1 votes

vlad and morde too

Sukishoo2 votes

Eve is up for her VGU this year, so there's no need to "change" anything as it's all going to be done soon enough.

Segius1 votes

The reason for this is because riot is pushing out off meta junglers, junglers with weaker clears are not very viable anymore

The part that sucks is that Kindred and Evelyn don't really have anywhere else

IIIIKindredIIII1 votes

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The part that sucks is that Kindred and Evelyn don't really have anywhere else

Well that's not exactly true. Kindred has proven to be a good mid laner before. I've also seen her being used as a great adc. Eve on the other hand I kinda agree with seeing as she cant really get going well in any lane.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Evelynn has invisibility and Kindred has invincibility on her ult. I'm not saying they don't need to be fixed, but rather it is hard to balance them. Evelynn doesn't get attacked until she's in melee range so you need to be careful about giving her defenses when she can sneak up on you and burst you. She also has an ult that gives her a shield to help with her fragility.

Just gotta be careful about making someone invisible / unkillable for x seconds more tanky

Newbsies1 votes

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Evelynn has invisibility and Kindred has invincibility on her ult. I'm not saying they don't need to be fixed, but rather it is hard to balance them. Evelynn doesn't get attacked until she's in melee range so you need to be careful about giving her defenses when she can sneak up on you and burst you. She also has an ult that gives her a shield to help with her fragility.

Just gotta be careful about making someone invisible / unkillable for x seconds more tanky

Hope this topic isn't too old to chime in. So I play Eve alot and just started playing Kindred. Here is my take. Eve is a pretty balanced champ. Sure her early clear is weak, but if you know how to use her passive and mobility for early banks, she can snowball really fast. Kindred has a bit stronger early Jungle clear but her marks are the only thing that really allows her to snowball. Kindred is much easier to counter simply by denying her marks. Eve isn't as effective against tanks or bruisers if she goes all in, even if she is rolling hard. Kindred can shred anyone if she gets her marks. But is way squishier than eve.

I miss the old Eve. I finally started enjoying the current Eve. I hope they don't take the fun out of her and change the general game play of her kit. It's very different than most other champs.

Kindred is a cool character that needs a more realistic focus on her wolf and lamb idea and even a small bit of sustain in her passive could help make her feel a bit more viable.

Mirage Night1 votes

Eve is getting a full VGU confirmed by Reav3 in his blog. Alpha team will be picking her up after the finish Galio. So I doubt we will be seeing anything until that happens.

Linna Excel1 votes

Evelynn is in the process of being gutting by the rework team as we speak.

RIP Eve.

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