Does Kalista's Lategame Feel Unsatisfying to Anyone Else?

The Toad··6 votes·5,564 views

Or am I just really bad with her? It feels like most games that go past 30 minutes I end up getting deleted in fights by mages/assassins/anyone with point-and-click cc. Getting away from them feels hard because I have a short dash from Q and maybe 1-2 autos before getting pushed out of the fight. Often my DPS feels so low lategame that I can't put myself near anyone else with damage (other carries or mages) without getting destroyed. Has anyone else felt this with Kalista? Anyone have any tips for lategame Kalista in teamfights?

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Hullabaloo9076 votes

I think he ult is supposed to be her big lategame thing, but you have to have to be coordinated with your support to use it right.

The Toad4 votes

Yeah, I feel like a big part of her lategame is supposed to be the vision with W and her Ultimate. It jsut feels like it isn't that useful when used with a ranged support, and if I've bonded with a tanky support (Braum, Leona, Alistar, etc.) then I feel like I don't have the peel to deal with anyone who tries to get in my face. Sure Kalista can kite pretty well, but only if she's allowed to consistently auto the person that's chasing her. Someone with gapclosers and CC, like Vi, wil just shut me down in fights :(

Hullabaloo9074 votes

Yep, its another way she really needs her support, for peel against anyone with hard cc. She also needs them to activate her %health damage.

Really anyone with decent hard cc can catch her. i run movement quints and buy boots of swiftness on taric, and i can stun and run down kalistas pretty easily.

The Toad2 votes

It's just a shame that they gave the adc with so much focus on coordination and communication one of the weakest lategame out of any of the ad carries, without giving her a meaningful spike anywhere else. The only games I've seen Kalistas win are the ones where she gets crazy fed in lane and closes the game out before it can get to lategame. She doesn't really feel like a lane bully though.

Narasimha3 votes

Not really, thats just her tradeoff. She tends to be really strong in the roaming mid-game, where her damage is usually even with her opponents (baring anyone crazy fed) and she has the mobility to be safe.

Kingsgrave5 votes

Im okay with the AD carry that ignores Melees to be useless. Totally okay with it.

The Toad3 votes

I'm okay with a Kite machine like Kalista being kill-able in a fight, I just feel like she doesn't get enough lategame outside being able to kite people without gapclosers and the vision ghosties.

Anidan1 votes

The life of a utility carry (Hi, Ashe!) isn't an easy one come late-game. You're dependent on your team to a much higher degree than many other carries, and a screw up can very easily cost your life. That's the tradeoff for your strong points, though.

I personally hate Kalista's existence, but her ability to kite and vision ghosts and and ultimate in the late game are all strong, they come at the price of a weakness to assassins and hard cc, moreso than other people being countered by that cc. That's a trade-off that seems more than fair to me. Besides, if you bond your top laner or jungler rather than your support then they can always be available to peel for you, you'll just have to trade off early game strength for mid-late game strength.

You're trading a lot for your utility, she cannot be given much more than she already has without utterly breaking her.

Sandaali1 votes

In those cases i usually build botrk. And against some1 like fiora i just play my secondary carry (as se adc mains should have secondary IR even third carries) ezreal who van just e out of trouble. also i highly recommend picking kalista with more experiensed supports. But really kallista doesnt have a weak lategame.

Ariel the Cruel5 votes

Disclaimer: I don't play Kali, and I've stopped playing support for them.

Kali's biggest strength seems to be in her mid-game. She does really well early game, but doesn't have the kill potential of dedicated early game champs (see Trist and Graves). Mid game is when the roaming comes more into play (see sentinel), and team fights start occurring. Her ult initiation with another initiator (see malphite) of bloody brutal. And CC isn't as rampant mid-game as it is late, making her easier to peel. Late game, she has to go against the hyper scaling of other ADC's and the assassin's itemization counters. And unfortunatly, she's so heavily dedicated to countering melee that she doesn't have the tools to deal with these other threats. Really, she seems to fall into the same hole as other Utility ADC's. The current meta just doesn't support them.

I know this doesn't really help, but it's my perspective at least.

PS: My lack of support has nothing to do with viability. I just can't loose anymore windows to bad/troll Kali's in Yolo queue.

xl Kirito lx2 votes

Disclaimer: I don't play Kali, and I've stopped playing support for them.

Kali's biggest strength seems to be in her mid-game. She does really well early game, but doesn't have the kill potential of dedicated early game champs (see Trist and Graves). Mid game is when the roaming comes more into play (see sentinel), and team fights start occurring. Her ult initiation with another initiator (see malphite) of bloody brutal. And CC isn't as rampant mid-game as it is late, making her easier to peel. Late game, she has to go against the hyper scaling of other ADC's and the assassin's itemization counters. And unfortunatly, she's so heavily dedicated to countering melee that she doesn't have the tools to deal with these other threats. Really, she seems to fall into the same hole as other Utility ADC's. The current meta just doesn't support them.

I know this doesn't really help, but it's my perspective at least.

PS: My lack of support has nothing to do with viability. I just can't loose anymore windows to bad/troll Kali's in Yolo queue.

Her early game is pretty subpar. Her passive turns into a .5s self root with every auto. Her ability to dodge skillshots is pretty low also, since they can predict where she'll be. I completely agree on mid game, the point where items matter, and people don't have all of their abilities fully leveled. Late game, she dies to everyone. Assassins, mages, half the melees in the game can catch her. The other half can force her away from the fight. She's honestly weak right now, but people will be scared about buffs, since her kit looks amazing on paper.

Her saving grace is her ultimate. It has the potential to be one of the strongest ultimates in the game, up there with Rumbles and Morde's. I completely agree thou, yoloq Kalista usually ends up badly.

OP: Honestly, late game, you don't have cc or high damage. You spend the fight trying to be generally annoying to the other team, and helping whoever you soulbond to reposition. She honestly doesn't have what it takes to be useful late game.

Sandaali2 votes

Hey! I had the same problem before. But i think i might have found a way to solve it, buy mercurial scimitar. Itse a god like item on her. And kallista isnt supposed to be a DPS beast champion. As soon as the fight starts you Start stacking your Spears (buy runaabs btw) and as mater the fight goes More deadly you become. Qss active will keep you Alive with lifesteal__

Hayaishi1 votes

And thank god she has a weakness.

The Soulforged1 votes

When playing with high attack speed, I find it too annoying to spam right click as much as I have to to make effective use of her passive.

Sandaali2 votes

Just between us try the following: place your attack move click Button to your space, makes it easy to kite ;)

The Soulforged1 votes

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Just between us try the following: place your attack move click Button to your space, makes it easy to kite ;)

Thank ;) Unfortunately, I think she'll still be last on my list of champions to be bought :*( At least I only have 14 to go :D

MattAkhavan1 votes

Kalista is just overrated. She is a mid tier adc and only is super effective if you orb walk extremely well. if you build her normally like any AD she will do well because all you have to do in this meta is crit to kill someone.

Sandaali2 votes

Orb walking with kalista passive :D Seriously if that is your oppinion about meta.. You know there are different kind of carries?

thinking man1 votes

I think that's okay because playing against her is an unsatisfying experience for most melee champs.

Raptamei1 votes

Wait, did Kalista not get picked in LCS recently?

This is the second "Kalista is weak" thread I see today. This must mean she's no longer picked in LCS, right?

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