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Thornmail though.

DaltumusPrime··1 votes·611 views

It's hard to say that this Item outright shouldn't exist, but in a meta where health stacking is becoming more common, item 3075 creates a situation where (as an adc) you either have to build life steal and cut your snowball potential, or build crit into armor pen and literally kill yourself trying to chunk and kite tanks. From a gameplay stand point the item just seems out of place. Why should I want to stop pumping out dmg when I'm on a 12 kill streak? I'll tell you why, 4.5k hp tanks that just have to run towards you and laugh as you literally deal 1400 dmg to yourself. Q.Q I know most ppl will respond "just build item 3153 , that's why it's in the shop!" but I shouldn't NEED to sacrifice armor pen just to survive dishing out dmg to someone, right? That doesn't seem fair. Like I said, I don't (entirely) think it should be removed, just toned back for the insane health pools that occur in the new meta. cough I'd actually love to see it gone forever! cough!! x3

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Only Play Darius3 votes

You need to realize that if you are an ADC you have a permanant range advantage over immobile tanks. If you know how to kite, you are untouchable, and that isn't fair.

DaltumusPrime1 votes

how many immobile Hecarim do you see? I C none

Only Play Darius1 votes

I specifically said IMMOBILE tanks, and there are plenty.

Skarner Singed Braum Nasus Sion just to name a few.

zane yalgir1 votes

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It's hard to say that this Item outright shouldn't exist, but in a meta where health stacking is becoming more common, item 3075 creates a situation where (as an adc) you either have to build life steal and cut your snowball potential, or build crit into armor pen and literally kill yourself trying to chunk and kite tanks. From a gameplay stand point the item just seems out of place. Why should I want to stop pumping out dmg when I'm on a 12 kill streak? I'll tell you why, 4.5k hp tanks that just have to run towards you and laugh as you literally deal 1400 dmg to yourself. Q.Q I know most ppl will respond "just build item 3153 , that's why it's in the shop!" but I shouldn't NEED to sacrifice armor pen just to survive dishing out dmg to someone, right? That doesn't seem fair. Like I said, I don't (entirely) think it should be removed, just toned back for the insane health pools that occur in the new meta. cough I'd actually love to see it gone forever! cough!! x3

instead of worrying whats fiar worry about what you gotta do to win.

item 3153 item 3139 item 3071 are three items that get you there jsut roll with it while in game

DaltumusPrime1 votes

I don't wanna win, "I wanna shoot somethiiing!!!" X3 Thanks for the tip though!

zane yalgir1 votes

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I don't wanna win, "I wanna shoot somethiiing!!!" X3 Thanks for the tip though!

trust me i agree

another tip that isnt fully proven yet but has kept me b4 where as my duo ignored me and when from knocking on b3s door to b5

http://na.op.gg/

watch the average mmr the last three days at my level where troll heavy i have two players my self and my friends to prove it and the mmr average drop of 220 in 3 days is proof of it

the average went from 986ish to 760 meaning either alot of people went to silver or a ton of trolls happened given my 2 games and my friend demotion id say its trolls

DaltumusPrime1 votes

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zane yalgir1 votes

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but it'll never be the same as the triple penetration. ;( R.I.Pieces item 3031 item 3142 item 3071 item 3035 build Q.Q

just play enough you'll get the team squishy plus 1 tank

Svddenly1 votes

It's called building and counterbuilding. Not every tank builds item 3075 every game. And they won't be able to build it every game. Besides, ADCs are pretty much the center of at the meta at all times. So yeah, you can suck it up and build item 3153 a few games. Who knows, maybe the active will get you some more kills too.

Edit: If you're on a 12 kill streak and the rest of your team isn't feeding like crazy, their tank won't have enough gold to build thornmail.

zane yalgir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Derek the Ferret,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9ibYTLjs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-05-23T11:18:53.568+0000)

It's called building and counterbuilding. Not every tank builds item 3075 every game. And they won't be able to build it every game. Besides, ADCs are pretty much the center of at the meta at all times. So yeah, you can suck it up and build item 3153 a few games. Who knows, maybe the active will get you some more kills too.

Edit: If you're on a 12 kill streak and the rest of your team isn't feeding like crazy, their tank won't have enough gold to build thornmail.

another good peice of advice though as i hate it team dependent..

DaltumusPrime1 votes

but it'll never be the same as the triple penetration. ;( R.I.Pieces item 3031 item 3142 item 3071 item 3035 build Q.Q

Changsty1 votes

And when a tank builds thornmail they are sacrificing health and MR for an item that is horribly cost inefficient unless their enemies auto attack them. It's so unfair.

Extreme Troller1 votes

oh they stack all health ? oh i refuse to build the most op item even for target lower than 2000health.

op is hilarious. thornmail is uber shît. useless against kog, vayne etc because it does on hit damage. it's all about randuin and frozen heart. a team with malphite, nasus, darius, nunu, anivia put the adc from 1.8as to 0.17as. so yea thornmail is completly useless because it won't return any damage because ennemy can't attack you. thornmail is for noob.

DaltumusPrime1 votes

I can taste your salty item 3070 item 3070

Lauricella31 votes

Magic resist also works, mercs gives nice mr and survivability. Also as long as you are kiting them they are not going to outdamage you with thornmail alone unless they have 7k hp

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