Nidalee in 5.15

Kurzicide··2 votes·490 views

The javelin cast time has been doubled. Is there any real reasoning behind this?

I understand the damage changes. As a Nidalee player myself, the damage values of her Q were a bit much depending on enemy team composition. Squishy champions were chunked a bit too much for 1 spell.

Doubling the cast time though... why? Not everyone plays Nidalee as a jungler where hiding in brush alleviates the higher cast time. As a person who's main mid-lane champion is Nidalee, casting javelin when my lane opponent consistently has sight of me is already troublesome... awaiting for that gap between minions or for my mid-lane opponent to move out from behind minions already makes Nidalee's Q difficult to hit the target. A higher cast time makes this window even smaller than it already is.

I get the whole champion specialization thing that Riot is going for... but to further push a champion to one role isn't particularly good design in this type of game. Nidalee's main problems surround the buginess of her Q, whether it be barely visible or completely invisible when thrown from the edge of the screen. THIS is the polarizing problem with Nidalee and why some people seem frustrated with Nidalee. The buginess as well as some peoples' inability to dodge a skillshot, whether Nidalee's Q, Ezreal's Q, or any other long-range and moderately quick traveling skill shot are where these perceived problems with Nidalee are coming from. Her skill shot's main advantages over other skill shots are the higher damage and the mark it applies. The damage is lowered now, and the mark is essential to her design, so why are any other changes to the skill's characteristics needed? Player skill and faulty coding is the problem.

Nidalee is already an uncommon pick, let alone for any role other than jungler. My main point is that lowering the base damage of her Q is enough of a change as is, and a higher cast time just makes her more difficult to play in any role other than jungling.

3 Comments

Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

You should be glad that she wasn't shoehorned into support like mordekaiser....

Pikacat1 votes

Everything you've said, I cannot agree with you more. I'm actually willing to take everything in stride, even the incredibly amounts of nerfing they've done to my spear but to double the cast time was the last straw for me. She's a champ that already requires a immense amount of skill, they need to fix the graphics not the champion itself. She's not Ryze, Taric, Teemo or any of the other champs with ridiculous auto abilities, she requires that skilled q landing and with the double time on the cast... I think it's finally time I switched mains, she's just not worth it anymore... Do you have a champ suggest for me? I'm thinking of switching over to maining Jinx.

SnipeJ001 votes

Yeah the cast time pretty much ruins her. It's not really about skill and prediction anymore its about if you can play the guessing lottery of where they will be by the time your spear actually comes out after that stupid delay and travels to where you guessed they would be sometime in the distant future (not to mention that huge glowing warning that appears on her when you hit Q.)

That delay, plus the damage reductions, and the trap being useless makes it feel more like you're playing blind and hoping to land a lucky spear so you can go in (but you probably can't go in even if you hit because of the damage reductions, you will probably die unless you are far ahead or they are very low health.)

Her late game fall off is even worse now, and chances are you weren't really ahead anyways unless you are playing against a bunch of predictable players who just run away in a straight line.

I just feel like nidalee players have to put in a lot of extra effort to be effective, might as well play another champ that doesn't rely on a nerfed "I can see the future / hail mary" shot to engage.

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