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Why do people consistently think Riven is overpowered?

KawaiiGaming··35 votes·14,532 views

I am in no means an absolute expert at playing Riven but I have played her for long enough and have watched professional players use her long enough to know that SHE ISN'T OVERPOWERED! This is my first post in any kind of game discussion and it just irks me so much that people consistently thinks that she is overpowered when in reality she can be very easily countered if you play your lane right. This all stemmed from me visiting the Surrender @ 20 site (Bless Moobeat btw <3) to check on some pbe updates and I noticed that there had been slight nerfs to riven (Which I don't mind) but I scroll down to the comments below and my jaws just dropped. It was like a rave party with everyone rejoicing over the fact that she got a slight nerf and everyone just going ''FINALLY RIVEN NERFS YEEEEEEEYYYY'' I just wanna point out that she isn't overpowered within this post.

  1. She is squishy as heck. You can go ahead and disagree with me on this fact but for all of you who play rivens out there you know that she is squishy like any other assassin like champion and she can be easily knocked out of the fight if focused. Renekton Irelia Darius all of these champions right here alone can completely and utterly destroy her. Even when players are like ''OH BUT RIVEN IS ABOUT THE 1V1 ENGAGES AT THE VERY FIRST LEVEL YOU IDIOT'' this is just false. Darius will not even let you commence a trade with him because by the time you finish off your combo, he would've gotten your health down to half or maybe even further because of his bleed stacking on each other and you having to recall or risk being killed the next time he engages.

  2. A lot (if not all) of her burst comes from being able to quickly animation cancel to bring out the full damage potential within her. Most low elo players would just argue ''NO JUST SPAM HER Q AND W AND E TO BLOCK OFF DAMAGE AND YOU WIN LOL NOOB'' when have you seen a riven win lane by just spamming her Q without auto attacking in between? She already cuts off 50% of her burst by doing that and will most likely get dumped on afterwards. In lanes where you have to be depend on burst (Which accounts for all riven lanes) you have to play that game where you have to knock your enemy down first quickly or you're done and out. If she can't burst YOU down quickly then SHE will get bursted down. Champions like Irelia have sustain and good amounts of damage so what happens when a riven can't pull out her full combo without getting knocked to 40% health? Losing out on last hitting minions. Having to recall. Go back into lane just try to keep up and end up falling behind.

  3. Riven becomes worthless if she's behind. If she doesn't get a lead or atleast even then she has almost no chance of coming back unless she constantly goes to gank other lanes instead but even then in high elo i'm fairly certain the enemy team would notice when a riven is not in her right place. And her squishiness counts in too so she can be easily shut down and kept out as long as the enemy team plays their cards right

  4. She is so dependent on her burst to do anything good. Let's take in for example that a riven tries to catch up to you using Q and E? She basically destroyed her way of escaping from you if you are ready to trade with her to death and she can't burst you down cause she destroyed her burst by trying to catch up to you. She can't do much else cause her cooldowns will be under play and if she doesn't have enough damage to take you down after using her combo? RIPERINO IN PEPPERINOS M8

This is just the tip of the iceberg. i could go on and on about the many faults she has but I just wanna show people that she isn't as overpowered as an abundantly stupid amount of people seems to make her out as. She can be beaten easily. She's not this unstoppable demon that will kill you a thousand times over (That's only if she's fed) it's like saying Nasus is too overpowered because he was allowed to farm for stacks. Do not feed her and don't engage unless you know that you can win the trade. I would really like the community's input on this kind of subject and feel free to add in any details or even correct me on anything you'd like. This is my first post in anything ever so i'd expect it to be a rather crude first post and will have tons and tons of mistakes so please I like constructive criticism so don't be afraid to tell me your opinion on this matter cause this is what I came here for.

88 Comments

IcyPepper32 votes

It's not that she's overpowered, is that her kit is absolutely annoying.

A shield that scales off AD, rewarding her with a defensive boost for building an offensive stat. Her mobility and cc in one kit (making her very, very annoying to punish). An aa steroid (as if AD doesn't boost your aa enough), and thanks to animation cancelling she doesn't have to build AS to deal three autoattacks in split seconds. Her ultimate is yet another aa steroid, and gives her a ranged attack to her mobile, gap closer melee self.

Now, she does have her weaknesses, but I think that sums up some perceptions of why she's annoying. She does have an incredibly high afk rate compared to other champions, and a lot of us don't like the champion because of our encounters with the rare few negative players playing her (you do get nice people playing Riven, and they are fun to banter with so don't get me wrong).

Kazaashi4 votes

{quoted}

A shield that scales off AD, rewarding her with a defensive boost for building an offensive stat. Her mobility and cc in one kit (making her very, very annoying to punish). An aa steroid (as if AD doesn't boost your aa enough), and thanks to animation cancelling she doesn't have to build AS to deal three autoattacks in split seconds. Her ultimate is yet another aa steroid, and gives her a ranged attack to her mobile, gap closer melee self.

The trade off for this is a that AD items have little defensive stats and are hella expensive. So if she cannot get the gold to survive trades, she will just fall more and more behind as the game goes on.

Leti the Yeti5 votes

AoE knock ups, AoE stuns, Aoe Executes, AoE in general, infinidashes yeah the utility in her kit doesnt fall off as time goes on It also scales regardless if she's fed or not... maybe if Riven was actually the feast/famine camp the community tries to make her seem like to be, I'd call her okay oh and AD items having little defensive stats and their price tag affects.. oh idk every other ad champ... geez, infact a daunting price tag affects every champ in the game, go figure

lB2kGRlc8y5 votes

Her mobility is what makes her cancer, shes like nidalee when running away, and unless you have long ranged stuns or snares, you can't kite her. You're only hope to win a duel against her is to survive her ridiculous amount of damage and drop her in the small window her CDs aren't available. I'd be fine with the kit if she had energy, because with high powered abilities, most champions have a gating resource, or have reduced effect as a result of the spammy, non conservative nature of the ability.

Narasimha4 votes

you're only hope to win a duel against her is to survive her ridiculous amount of damage and drop her in the small window her CDs aren't available.

Actually, Riven is pretty bad at dueling until she gets a few items behind her. She like to go for hit-and-run tactics. All of her damage is tied to her CDs, so forcing her into extended battles puts her at a disadvantage. This is the prime reason why champions like Garen, Darius, and Cho'gath are her main counts.

Ser Garland1 votes

That said, when hit and run burst melees are concerned, she does that job better then all the others. Why does Jarvan's shield have absolutely no scaling? Why does fiora's only defensive move block one auto? Riven's kit is stacked as hell.

Narasimha1 votes

I mean, same reason why Jarvan's shield has an AOE slow. Same reason why Fiora gets to go invulnerable while doing damage.

Nameless Voice5 votes

This. Riven isn't really overpowered, but she has an annoying kit that isn't much fun to play against.

She's one of those champions that I don't like to try punishing for her mistakes because she can get out of them so easily. Overextended in lane, gank her? She'll probably just turn around and kill you with ignite + ult. See her out of position with low health - don't bother, she'll get away with her high mobility and shield.

She's hated for many of the same reasons that Nidalee is.

Personally, I quite like the idea of Riven (shield that allows her to use skill to avoid damage, but squishy otherwise, ult that powers her up.), but the implementation is annoying, mostly because of the mobility.

NinjaToad991 votes

{quoted} A shield that scales off AD, rewarding her with a defensive boost for building an offensive stat.

I get that she has the only AD shield in the game (I think) but the majority of shields build off of AP. An offensive stat. So I don't think that's a valid argument (Granted some of the champions with those shields don't build AP).

Hellioning1 votes

AP does nothing for your autos, so there are spaces in between cooldowns where AP champions do little damage. In addition to being AD scaling, which means she gets good autos, it also comes with movement, meaning it's easier for her to tank damaging while escaping or engaging.

Kieferr13 votes

How can anyone say she's balanced... She's fucking oppressive and toxic to lane against. Every time you go in to cs... BOUNCE. BOUNCE. BOUNCE... Oh I just lost 1/2 of my HP. Fight back? Oh she just dashed away. Poke? She shielded all the damage. Call for gank? 4 escapes plus a shield. Tower dive? Oh she just ulted and got an easy dbl kill. And don't even mention counters, she has above 50% winrate against her so-called "counters" 50.8% against Garen, 52.77% against Darius and 52% against irelia. I dunno bout u but if I win the majority of my games against my counters... Something must be fishy. If anything, she needs more nerfs. Remove the cc from the broken wings so that she can't outduel 98% of other top laners, and the ad scaling on valor, because what else does she fuckin build besides ad? Ffs Lee sin needs ap to improve his shield.

Ser Garland1 votes

It's because her "counters" don't contribute nearly as much late game in team fights as she does. Riven players be like "oh yhea, Darius counters me, tee heeee" then they just play it super safe in lane, farming under tower and late game, simply ignore's the Darius and continues to do what she does best.

You can beat her in lane, but she'll beat you in game.

Anidan1 votes

I like a good ol' Nasus against her. Her kill potential drops off hard as a brick and she doesn't out-scale you.

Last game I got lucky and most of Riven's team was AD, so it was really, really easy to build.

Edit: That said, I HATE going against Riven. OP or not. I understand her design -- I understand it's intention, and why every part of her kit is how it is. But the thing that irks me the most isn't her mobility. It isn't her shield (let's face it: she needs it), it isn't her damage, or animation cancels. It's that stupid knock-up on Broken Wings. Everything else I am pretty much completely fine with. But the knock-up on her Q is pretty much completely extraneous.

I can't think of any Assassins with two hard CCs, one of which isn't even affected by tenacity, in tandem with that much potential damage and mobility. I mean, I understand some assassins have a cc or something, that's perfectly acceptable: Diana has her knock-up/pull + slow, Fizz has a telegraphed slow + knock-up (so you can Zhonya's it if you have it, or QSS it off of you, and so on). But Riven's main thing is that she has to continually be in your face to apply damage, which wouldn't be as much of a problem if she didn't have TWO HARD CCs keeping you captive audience in a front-row seat to your beatdown. She doesn't need two - she only needs one. She can have a slow or something on her third Q, but a knock-up just plain feels unnecessary.

BluePolarizer2 votes

Pantheon doesn't fall off. Once you get a lead you can snowball every lane with ganks, get kill/assist gold then go back to lane even more fed than before.

thinking man12 votes

She's a cancer champ and "playing the lane right" comes down to not playing it wrong since she snowballs obnoxiously hard and has the power to punish any mistake brutally.

Very Ratchet6 votes

I like Riven too, but I don't really care that she's getting nerfed in this case. Anyway, if Riot wanted to nerf her, this isn't the right way to do it.

Joquan1 votes

Reminder that there was recently a reddit thread about diamonds 1-2 or above asking to help playtest for riot.

I'm pretty sure they know more friend.

Best Aatrox NA5 votes

I think she's dumb because she decides when she fights, and there's nothing her laner can do about it. The problem is her shield and how she can just pop in, do damage, and back off. Riven should be able to be punished for being behind instead of still having all the tools in front of her to get a pentakill.

redniwediS4 votes

There is one thing her opponent can do: Don't give her a good fight. Pick a champion who fights on their own terms regardless of what Riven does, and then zone her from the farm. She will engage, and you won't care.

KawaiiGaming4 votes

This is exactly what i'm talking about. I love Riven so much but there's just those idiots who just think she's unbeatable so they cry about how overpowered she is.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I beat her a while back with sivir in lane...

ggwppurpleteam1 votes

At potato elo

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Yep.

Old Man Teeto5 votes

Riven has the tools to win pretty much any lane match up, snowball, and come back when behind through team fighting, split pushing, power farming everything.

Riven just can be 0/4 and then go legendary, or 5/0 and win the entire game individually.

Top that off, she has a ton of small things inside her kit, which stem from Riot's coding of movement abilities which allows her to do things outside her original design schema.

Remember when Riven third Q broke and it started jumping walls? They decided to just allow it as intentional. I remember when she was first introduced and they specifically said the small hops wouldn't be wall jumps BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH ADDED POWER IT WOULD GIVE HER

Riven was an experiment back in the age of dudes who build only defenses and used high base values with poor scaling as a low based - super high scaling with defensive incentive to build damage. Many people enjoy Riven, she's sorta the "one woman army" champion who deliberately doesn't rely on a team for 99% of her interactions.

FourVsFive4 votes

If i took a screen shot of all the games riven carries u would think otherwise.

Kurama73 votes

The nerf does not effect her too much, the movespeed is justifiable because she will almost always get to a point where she can spam q and e for mobility. The wind slash being nerfed sucks i guess, but again doesnt hurt her damage output just means you have to be better at using it. Nothing too big that i can see. My problem with riven is the fact that she can do a lot of damage and has a shield that gets better based on your ad, so you are rewarded twice as much for building damage. With the cinderhulk top lane meta though its super easy to shut down a riven, just red smite her whenever she goes on you and you take hardly any damage especially if you have 1 armor item.

colesy3 votes

they counter pick themselves either consciously or subconsciously and never play her so they don't understand her build and play patterns and expect to just treat it like any other lane

SleepyLionCub3 votes

She is pretty trash imo. Want 1v1? Fiora Irelia BOOM. Want teamfights? Jax JarvanIV BAM. Want a champion that tries to do both, but cant do either in the slightest? Riven SHLAMAHBAMA.

Tbh, riven is like the Iggy Azelia of top lane. She wants to be Fiora (nicki minaj) and Irelia (beyonce) so bad. but she has to use cheap tactics to try and appear good.

AFK Push4 votes

jax isn't a good teamfighter, he is a good dueler and split pusher.

kcStranger3 votes

I agree with everything you said, especially that it's irritating how giddy people get about certain champs being nerfed. I don't think this nerf is about power level, per se (although her 54% win rate in Diamond is definitely notable, indicating that she's able to prey upon solo queue play patterns when mastered). For my full thoughts...I'll just copy something I said on another Riven post (others have said similar things):

I think the thing to keep in mind with this nerf is that Riot's main goal with champion balance is not actually to put all the champions on an even playing field (even supposing that was possible given the different balance demands of solo vs. 5v5 and low-tier vs. high-tier play). Above all, they're trying to make the game fun. I'm just guessing at their intentions, but my read on the situation is this: Riven is a champion who, when mastered, wrecks solo queue because of her skirmish potential. She's also fairly mobile, allowing her a pretty good deal of freedom in choosing her fights (again, especially in solo queue). I think the idea of the changes is to cut down on her mobility (mitigating her ability to engage/escape, which can be pretty oppressive/unfun) and to open up a little more counterplay around the ult (a little more chance to dodge it). In short, the changes are meant to open up a little more counterplay against a champion who's difficult to play against with uncoordinated teams.

Now, do I think the changes are needed strictly from a balance perspective? No. The fact that Riven is basically never seen in pro play (although certainly a bunch of pros mess around with her in solo queue) should make that fairly clear. As you point out, her win rate also is not that high until Diamond, and I for one am OK with the idea of having champions who take some work to master but reward you by being very strong once you have mastered them. But, there are other factors at work here.

For what it's worth, I think this is part of a larger pattern. Katarina, Yasuo, Lee Sin, Nidalee...all these are champions who, when strong, lead to play patterns that are unfortunately quite frustrating for a large number of people. (I personally am not too sensitive to this kind of stuff, but the number of people who still complain about Lee Sin despite his crap winrate and bad teamfighting is astounding.) Eventually, they may be headed for reworks. (Unfortunately, a lot of champions need reworks of some kind...) In the meantime, I think Riot is trying to put their balance in a place where you still can be successful with them, but with counterplay that can be somewhat consistently achieved in solo queue. Unfortunately, this frequently means making them objectively kind of bad.

And for what it's worth, I doubt nerfs of the sort on the PBE are going to make Riven unplayable (definitely worse, though).

Mao Ryu3 votes

1- O rly. Her defensive stats look just like Shen, except that she doesn't have sustain. This is irrelevant because her ability to trade is better than most top laners early until she picks up a item 3077 where the regen issues stop mattering.

2- Except, sustain champions don't have that much sustain to negate Riven 's poke combos. I'm saying this while accounting for her doing splash damage to minions, Riven 's push is not enough for sustain champions like Irelia to heal on without pushing lane and therefore get ganked and lose. Riven on the other hand has THREE options if she is in a losing matchup:

  • Roam and get kills: pretty easy to do all game long, riven's ridiculous mobility and CC from level 1 make this possible hence jungle riven was occasionally seen in previous seasons. Much more easily than a Renekton would.
  • Farm the jungle: because of her tendency to rush a item 3077 and her AoE CC, this is a valid alternative unlike say Garen who would take forever to clear a camp.
  • Wait for jungler ganks: I know you're sick of hearing it by now, but it is Riven's biggest problem. Riven's mobility, CC and AoE makes it easy to keep an enemy down when her jungler is there, or even pull off 2v2s because she does a lot of AoE.

She is fucking bullshit in that regard, there is no "true" victory over a good Riven in lane.

3- How do you have no chance of coming back? Mobility does not fall off, she can split push very well behind or not. She also has 2 CCs for teamfights granted she probably needs a item 3143 and that's it, tanky enough for short skirmishes because you cannot catch riven in the long run anyway. Also, building straight AD is cheaper than building defenses; because item 3077 synergizes so well with her kit she can get more farm than the enemy laner even when behind; so her "behindness" isn't so big.

4- The situation you're proposing is Riven making a mistake. Much like Darius pulling Garen to force a trade, that's wrong. He should be harassing with Q and pulling to reduce enemy DPS or force them to continue trading. Just because you can force a trade doesn't mean you should, an ability usually has more than one way of being beneficial. Also, burst trades is what Riven excels at, no kidding. She also has the mobility to decide who hits who at what time. Depending how many mobility spells she saves, you might land only one auto attack while she throws her whole combo.

By the way

That's a nice bullshit thread you have there...

It would be a shame if....

Someone were to...

Downvote it to negativity...

Orangesilk2 votes

Riven would have a much higher winrate reflecting her insane lane power if she wasn't a preferred champion of the toxic people who go afk at the first sight of something going wrong. Or the insignia champion of the "OMG jg no ganks, gg". Or the standardbearer for the "I don't need wards, I'll fight both the laner and the jungler" crowd.

FalconPawwwwnch2 votes

Because she's probably one of the worst designed champions in the game lol

She was made in a time where she had to compete with pre-nerf Lee Sin/Udyr/Irelia/Yorick and their cancer mechanics, but most of those have been overnerfed/removed (Irelia lost half her sustain and base damage, lee lost sustain and armor and AS slow, Udyr lost mana sustain, etc).

Riven has nothing to manage while opponents do. She's an outdated design that needs a massive rework.

ggwppurpleteam1 votes

Truth

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

She scales incredibly hard off of AD.. my two problems with her are, her low cooldowns late game.. she get's tanky just by building damage which is a toxic mechanic(because just about everyone else has to give up defenses for damage, or damage for defenses). The fact that riven building a hydra means that every single damaging thing she does now deals aoe damage.. plus ridiculous scaling and pseudo sheen procs for every animation cancel she does(even if she doesnt animation cancel and just spams 3 q's, she still get's her "sheen" procs for her next three autos) plus the fact that her ulti gives her even more ad and is an aoe execute.. oh and also she's manaless... the fact that she can literally chase or run forever without being gated by mana(or other resource) is toxic to play against. So maybe I find a lot wrong with her kit.. and maybe a lot of people may disagree with me.. and that's fine as well =] One last thing I want to mention.. " i could go on and on about the many faults she has but I just wanna show people that she isn't as overpowered as an abundantly stupid amount of people seems to make her out as." Those were your words.. you have no right to call people stupid because they disagree with what you feel. If you're going to act like an entitled prick when you want to have a civil conversation/debate.. that's what people are going to treat you like. Don't add to the toxicity of the community my friend.

KawaiiGaming1 votes

I would like to say that I wasn't calling the people stupid because there are just some champs that you just don't want to deal with but I personally wasn't calling the people stupid. I was saying the enormous number itself was stupid so I apologize for not being clear enough on that.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

I had a really long and thought out answer typed up but now i'm just gonna summerize because i accidentally hit the back button on my mouse XD btw apology accepted.. assuming like the vast majority of rivens she has 40 percent cdr she can litterally use her q for ever.. if she does use it to get to you but instead dashes and stuns you the uses her knock up q.. her q is off cool down already and she can proceed to full combo you. She isnt mana gated Her scaling for her full combo is (presuming 40% cdr and hydra which once again all rivens build) 690-730%ad + 160-280% bonus ad (this damage is further boosted by her ad steroid on her ult.. this damage is also aoe.. no chamion should be allowed to do that much damage especially aoe... her aoe damage is slightly less but still ridiculous Her passive can out damage a trinity force with enough ad. except riven's passive will give additional life steal and her passive also doesnt have a two second cool down like trinity force.. do you understand a little bit why people dislike her and call her broken? she has ridiculous engage/disengage.. her damage is just nuts whether she is fed or not as for her shield making her pseudo tanky.. it lasts for 1.5 seconds on a 3.6 second cool down meaning she is unshielded for 2.1 seconds..she's her own support due to shields and cc.. and she has ridiculous hyper carry potential.. I'd love to answer any question's about my opinion that you may have =]

YOU BEEN WARNED2 votes

Your mom isn't overpowered, I confirmed it myself.

Nimba2 votes

I don't know.

Probably because she can't be handled when she's fed in soloq, your team will either be blaming each other or individually trying to duel her. Even worse when she already has 2 kills and the top/mid laner is pinging the jungler to death, they come and feed Riven more then yell at each other rest of the game.

The Bearded Bard2 votes

I mostly don't like that she's manaless, that fact alone lets her dominate most of the top laners I play for the simple fact that if I spam my spells even half as much as she does, I'll run out of mana. I also don't like how low the cooldown on her E is, but that I can deal with.

SgtCrispy2 votes

She's not OP, people just don't like playing against her.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

why do you think that people don't like to play against her?

Arcade Andrew2 votes
  1. tell that to tank riven with the shield

2)TLDR no grammar or pretty pictures to make sense of this wall of gross

  1. any champion can become worthless if they get behind just aswell as any champ can get op AF if they get ahead

youre point here is invalid

  1. didnt you already mention burst in the first sentence of number 2(which I didnt read)

she is Overpowered her kit is just toxic as all hell (along with any manaless/energyless champion)

CDR based champions are cancer

either make every champ CDR based or give them all energy and or mana

(or Fury/rage those concepts are pretty neat, Gnars for example or shyvannas)

but anyone who has no use of the mana bar needs to go (Garen/Riven/DrMundo ?? I think/Katarina /Mordekaiser ehh i forget the rest

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

Atleast mundo uses health for his attacks, kat is bs and resourceless XD, Mordekaiser is ridiculous because after spell vamp is built his abilities no longer seem to cost anything, they just give you a shield XD As far as rage and fury? those are neat things! However renekton is still a bully without his and Reksai is still ridiculous without her max fury giving her scaling ad execute true damage XD. For everyone out there thinking that riven isn't broken partially due to being resourceless and cdr based.. just imagine Zed Akali Kennen LeeSin Shen without energy.. the only one not being entirely broken would be shen XD..anyways I got off of topic, I mostly do agree with you Arcade Andrew

Troy2426212 votes

The honest answer is this, and it will NOT be received well. A lot of the people who post on the boards confuse champion design and balance. There are reasons for this but I'll explain later. This post will be lengthy, there will be a tl;dr at the bottom.

Design and balance are not the same, but poor design often leads to poor balance because they are difficult to balance (See: Kalista). In addition, a lot of poor champion designs are extremely polarized (See Riven) where she will either smash with very little opportunity for their opponent to counter them or be clobbered with few options themselves. Finally, because they're difficult to balance, they often become the king of their role or are completely outclassed.

Now, because people confuse the two AND because of peoples' tendency to use their own experience as anecdotal evidence to justify their position, when people are beaten be Riven because she counters them or they simply don't understand how she functions, they will say "Hey, I had no real chance of winning that match-up (Unless the player using her was retarded) and therefore she must be overpowered," and then they go onto the forums to complain about it.

In general, the angriest players "Post the loudest," so to speak. Very few people will go onto the forums, for example, and go on a tangent about how well design and balanced Vel'Koz is. However, with a champion like Riven, she will often cheese people who will come onto here and complain about it.

This leads to my next point. Design and balance are different, but inextricably linked, and Riven's design is cheesy (Albeit skill indexed at the highest level), overloaded and kit-strong. This means that she is inherently powerful but her numbers are weak, which was the intention of her design. Therefore, when the Riven cheeses her opponent and gets ahead, she has FOUR things going for her. She's fed, she naturally snowballs really hard, she's kit strong and as a result of being fed now has a numerical advantage as well. Now there really are few options for the other player (Though there obviously are some), and given that they got cheesed, I doubt they'll know how to use them.

All in all, the result is that her design is, put simply, INCREDIBLY frustrating to play against and stomps unprepared players. The skill required to beat her at LOWER levels of play are skewed, and while she is extremely difficult to master, simply playing her effectively is not. because most people aren't at Gold+, they will fall into the category that Riven does well against.

TL;DR: Riven has binary match-ups, her design inherently makes her kit strong and people cheese their opponents for a numerical advantage that she innately lacks, and as a result, she snowballs incredibly hard. This voice is most common because angry players will post about her, not ones that don't think she's an issue.

ashebergers2 votes

Except that she is, obscenely.

Whoever at riot made her probably made her after his anime waifu (hence the white hair) and that is why she is never nerfed, hard, nepotism.

She IS an overpowered champion, and I don't think there are many in this game I'm talking like 5 TOPS, but of the few she is one of them.

Astôlfo1 votes

{quoted}

Except that she is, obscenely.

Whoever at riot made her probably made her after his anime waifu (hence the white hair) and that is why she is never nerfed, hard, nepotism.

She IS an overpowered champion, and I don't think there are many in this game I'm talking like 5 TOPS, but of the few she is one of them.

First of all, you are nowhere even close to correct. Second of all, you necrobumped a year old thread to QQ.

DarksideEric1 votes

If Riven is God Tier in Top Lane like many people are claiming...

How come it was Ryze, Shyv, Mundo, Ren, Moaki and Lulu everyone complained about?

These boards confuse me...

AYD Ankrauser1 votes

If you don't like playing against a champ. Play that champ for a little bit and you'll learn how they work and you can beat them in lane a little more easily. People complaining about the AoE stuff, well ok I'll give you that, however the AoE is small with maybe the exception of her Wind Slash. I'm not a Riven main but I seem to play against her a lot.

Everything else is about timing and her CC is laughable, what CC? The range on her stun is pretty small and only lasts .75 seconds and her knock up is just as long. How can you complain about CC on Riven when you got Champions like Morgana's snare that'll immobilize you for 3 seconds with her Q and her AoE Stun/Snare ult or a Cho'Gath that can knock you up and silence or a Gnar that has a crap ton of CC each of which are longer than Riven's. It's not like you're having to dodge spears and praying Nidalee doesn't pounce on you for a kill when you get hit. God forbid you complain about her shield that's already been nerfed, lasting only 1.5 seconds. If you see her shield come up, don't go ham and let it suck up all your damage, be patient. Too many players play with the mentality of "If I all in now, I"m going to win and get a kill" There's a lot of timing and playing smart involved with playing with or against Riven.

When she falls behind in a game she'll be limited farming and split pushing, since she'll virtually be useless.

When you see someone pick Riven, counter her with someone that can silence/snare/stun, if Riven's caught up in any of that CC, she can't use skills and she's pretty darn squishy and easy to kill. Riven might get strong with a couple items, but you can easily shut her down.

Play smart, play better, and realize the mistakes you make instead of blaming others for them. You'll play a lot better. Have a great day!

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

You're basically saying that CC is her counter... but that's every champ's counter. The fact of the matter is, she is only unshielded for 2.2 seconds.. The fact that she has CC in a kit like hers, imagine darius with some more cc and a shield, and let's say he was manaless XD Also as far as morgana snare, yeah that's a crazy long duration and I hate it.. however.. morgana is a mage and can't dash through walls and catch you with combination of q/e, and she also can't chase you endlessly. It's not the type of cc that she has, it's the fact that she has it in her kit. I wasn't blaming other's for my mistakes btw :p

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