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Nidalee Nerf

Ereldra·3/9/2016, 1:37:32 AM·15 votes·2,373 views

So, on PBE is a nerf for Nidalee: "Prowl (Passive) Triggering a hunt on a neutral monster no longer roots it for 2 seconds."

First of all, I do not want to say, that Nidalee is not too strong at the moment, and that she doesn't need a nerf. But I wonder, wether this change is really the right way to adress her?

Nidalee has already quite a high skillcap, which is reflected in the fact, that she isn't doing that good in lower Elos, while becoming extremely opressive and strong in higher Elo and Pro-Play, where people are actually good enough to utilize her properly. If you can however, her clearspeed makes her extremely strong, since you clear your jungle extremely fast, and by this gaining an gold and XP advantage over the enemy. But how is this change going to adress that? It doens't really change her clearspeed (once you are lvl 4/have RE you don't need to kite anyway, since you can just blow away the camps), and I don't think, someone who is mechanically really good will be that much affected by this. But for everyone else who are not that good (for example: Me^^), won't this make her first clears extremely difficult? I for one am not sure, wether I can manage the first clear without the passive root as help.

So... in the end, am I missing something? Because in my eyes, this does nothing for those players, that are really good, and are in an Elo where Nidalee is a problem, while making her extremely difficult if not outright unplayable for everyone else - where she wasn't really a problem anyway due to her skillcap. Do you think that this is the right way to nerf her?

24 Comments

Steel Inquisitor3/9/2016, 8:23:46 AM5 votes

Diamond Nidalee main here. There was one change that was not mentioned up until just now about an hour ago that will 100% kill her in the jungle. She is basically Olafed. The 2nd change is her R no longer resets her auto attack timer. So not only will she not be able to kite jungle camps anymore to have a good clear/sustain, she can't even properly dps camps anymore and her regular 1st clear dps rotation is gone. She loses so much damage without having the auto reset available to her. TL;DR: Her clear is garbage, her ability to maintain a good amount of health in the jungle is now non-existant, she will probably drop to under 40% winrate after these two changes go through. I agree with the fact that Nidalee needed to be nerfed, but to be nerfed so hard into the ground is just downright disgusting. Even just removing the root wouldn't have been terrible, I could've lived with that in my first clear. Anyways, I doubt I will ever touch her again due to how clunky she feels on PBE to me currently. Goodbye Nidalee.

Matezoide3/9/2016, 4:43:00 AM4 votes

Good.

Dreadlocks3/9/2016, 2:12:24 AM4 votes

Nidalee is doomed if this goes through..

SaltyKracka3/9/2016, 9:26:41 AM4 votes

Cancer panther out of the jungle?

Good riddance.

Sunya UwU3/9/2016, 1:40:18 PM3 votes

You guys know they nerfed Nidalee twice in that PBE update right? They removed Snare on jungle mobs and....

They removed the AA reset from cougar --> human, human--->cougar

Literally killed Jungle Nid by removing the AA reset rofl, it would've been possible to do a OK 1st clear if we still had the AA resets, now youre just in the gutter

EcchiOtakuTM3/9/2016, 5:58:19 AM3 votes

Nidalee is literally a top tier jungler for diamond+, pro play and other regions ofc she was going to get hit. However just like the shyvana nerf, I feel it was either too much of the wrong direction.

Sire Hippington3/9/2016, 6:33:38 PM2 votes

it will reduce her clear sustain, as mobs will hit her a bit more often, which reduces her potential to do a fast clear early AND invade/gank with nearly full health if used correctly. I'm not sure if the nerfs are enough to fix her in competetive play, but it's a step into the right direction. However, i think nidalee needs some more drastic changes to be less of a ppure snowballer that usually is either opressive or usless.

Slamurai Jack3/9/2016, 6:40:06 AM2 votes

I would be amazed if this change goes through. Her first clear is so reliant on this mechanic that I'd expect her to disappear from play if she suddenly could barely clear 2 camps before needing to back.

Best Valor NA3/9/2016, 6:02:29 AM2 votes

Like make it less of s durration, reduce it to 1 second and that'll be fine. But this just destroys her early.

Probably will have to always start blueside jungle, get Q first and then E.. I hate it..

Phoenix Kotori 3/9/2016, 7:25:23 PM1 votes

Lane Nidalee is basically dead forever already, and this is gonna make jungle suck horribly for her especially for anyone not fully mastered her, I don't understand these changes at all. Wish Rito would give some context.

SilenceToJiji3/9/2016, 11:52:52 AM1 votes

Im a nid Main and finally found a way to make mid nidalee work

I really prefer this nerf if it makes her less played.

Personally i think she's fine but i'd rather this nerf before the OP NIDALLEE (which isn't even true) hype train comes in.

Shes totally balenced and this just makes sure shes a little less beast in the jungle

Boulderox3/9/2016, 7:26:26 PM1 votes

meanwhile in korean solo queue nidalee is a top tier jungler due to her having an UNSTOPPABLE early game if you can play her right.

WadeWilson13373/9/2016, 10:35:02 AM1 votes

Nidalee was nerfed for the same reason Shyvana was nerfed; Their clear speeds were so far and beyond everyone else that no one could compete in farm with them. Nidalee held the highest clear speed in the game with a disgustingly powerful early game which doesnt even fall off that match, making her incredibly difficult to deal with. Atleast Shyvana has a weak early game and mediocre late game to justify this. I think touching on Nidalees clear speed is a fine start honestly.

Mansana3/9/2016, 6:05:03 AM1 votes

Probably not, but she was able to clear before. People seem to forget that Riot added this root mechanic during the begining of preseason 5 (5.2) to embrace Jungle Nidalee which was just surging in popularity at that time due to a guy named Catsexual. Only problem is that, that Nidalee was played as an AD Bruiser, focusing on the AD jungle item, and Iceborn. Clearing with her was more auto attack reliant by using your Human E and kiting camps. Nerfs to jungle kiting in general, her ad ratios on her Cougar Q being nerfed, and the change of % health damage from her bushwack to flat damage, literally killed the early jungle clear that AD Nid had. They compensated by buffing her ap ratios a little bit, and voila we now have the continuous nerfs and buffs that is AP Nid. Although I do agree that the root is an integral part for kiting and staying healthy in the jungle.

The fact that Nidalee has nothing going for her but damage means she will either be terrible, or really good and snowbally. Riot seriously needs to re-rework NIdalee so her cougar forms at least has some impact than just damage and chase potential. Basically her kit is poke until you hit and then go in and burst. Like it's very linear, almost like an AP version of Lee Sin.

Lil Gr33n Ghouls3/9/2016, 5:37:43 PM1 votes

I agree, it seems like they just raised the skill floor instead of actually nerfing anything. It's the exact opposite of what rito has been saying about making high skill cap champs (like lee sin) still playable in lower elo.