Supporting in solo Q is bad.

webstar1108·Apr 19, 2018·5 votes·2,989 views

It is hardest to climb as a support main in solo Q than anything else. I am the lowest rank by far on my clash team. S4-S1-G4(plat last season)-G2-G1(plat last season) We vote for MVP just for fun after our wins. I have been the MVP 3/4 times (our record is 4-2) I clash/flex I can communicate with the ADC and make great plays. In Solo Q if i roam i get no help from jg and sometimes the mid does not even notice im there even after pings. Sometimes the adc feed and blames me. Flames me in chat for his shit decisions and plays so i mute him. No one wants to get on discord because "it is weird to talk to strangers", but without communication especially in low elo where no one is EVER on the same page, Support maining is tough.

Down to duo with anyone S1+ adc main

34 Comments

Big LincolnApr 19, 20186 votes

maybe you just aren't good at support

NubulasApr 19, 20181 votes

I am only good at support or adc if the other person is decent.

I cant adc with a sup who counters my efforts or does nothing and I cant support if the adc just afk farms and never follows up.

Which is about 18 out of 20 games. So for those 2 of 20 it is really nice. We win lane easy, but then the other lanes collapse. But it feels good to be able to win lane sometimes.

This game only survives because it abuses the gamblers paradox. Winning once feels better than losing 4 feels bad.

I doubt I will ever be "good" at any role. I seem to be getting worse. I used be close to getting mid silver. I could see it, with practice, I could do it. Now , silver looks like plat. No way I will ever get to silver. I think I hit S5 in one account, but prolly gone by now.

egOrhythmApr 20, 20181 votes

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maybe you just aren't good at support

I have seen A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of autofilled supports lately that have no clue what they're doing.

I've held my patience for so long but I just can't anymore. I have been so toxic towards the last two supports I had (although one deserved it for playing Irelia support and building two liandri's). I just can't do it anymore. I know they don't deserve it. I know they didn't ask to be autofilled support.

I'm starting to honestly believe that Riot should remove auto-fill. It is not healthy.

saltranApr 19, 20183 votes

When I ask my supp duo he always says that he wouldn't be playing as many rankeds as he plays with me if he were alone, playing supp with randoms adcs must be tilting.

NubulasApr 20, 20181 votes

it is

DestructoDaveApr 20, 20181 votes

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When I ask my supp duo he always says that he wouldn't be playing as many rankeds as he plays with me if he were alone, playing supp with randoms adcs must be tilting.

Its not as bad as the other way around. You can always just play a mage and carry games. Worst case scenario he never follows up and you just dont stomp lane as hard as you would like, then you just leave him to his devices and go make plays on the map.

On the flip side, if your support is bad, worse case scenario you lose your ass botlane, possibly die a bunch or be behind 20-30cs, and end up being the adc 1-1.5 items behind still trying to farm his 2 items bot lane while the game falls apart around them. Supports control botlane. I support as my secondary, and fill support in Flex.

NubulasApr 19, 20182 votes

I get filled into sup alot, I dont sup nor do I have support champs, always get flamed like I want to be there....

Support is the hardest role.

webstar1108Apr 19, 20182 votes

It take a different mindset. That's for sure. Surely you have Morgana or Brand though. A few top laners work ass supports too like Ornn, Camile, Malphite, Sion, Mao, Panth, Shen

NubulasApr 19, 20181 votes

no, nothing for support, just get flamed for trying saving up for braum I used morg on other account, just got tired of being minion blocked on Q

panth is not a good support tried scion, doesnt seem to work.

Any tank I play just gets killed while the team runs away. I dont get the whole tank thing. I cant kill anything and the enemy can kill me in 3 sec or less so whats the point? Tank=punching bag. No escape.

I just play and lose , no biggie, keeps me in low elo so I have nothing to lose.

KarunamonApr 19, 20183 votes

Braum is fun but he's not super meta right now.. those 3 spots belong to Janna, Soraka, and Rakan.

A good Rakan is fucking scary.

NubulasApr 19, 20181 votes

I play what I am comfortable playing. Trying to chase the new "in thing" doesnt work for me. Plus riot has changed the game so that I ill have to play for 5 years to afford just half the available champs.

"Just play champ X" doesn't help when those champs cost 6300 and I have 900. After 30 games, I might be up to 2 or 3k BE.

This is really just a way to waste time. Nothing actually works. There is no practical solution. I just show up and do what I can and lose.

I am still amazed at how many people flame, as if they have never been in the same situation.

KarunamonApr 19, 20182 votes

Hehe, I know that feel, just wanted to make sure you had all the info :)

Don't forget about the honor, mastery chests, and level up chests either. You don't have to pay full BE/RP price for everything once you get a shard.. at this point, the price on the store is more of an "i want it now" tax.

It takes a long while to get good at league dude, try not to get discouraged. Even with the flaming.. dealing with tilt is almost as important as learning how to last hit and ward.

NubulasApr 19, 20181 votes

Yeah I got the level up champ shards. They usually give me one I already own or one I don't want. I am collecting them now. I had 3 of the same champ one time.

Wish they would give you a 50% off coupon your next champ or something instead.

Been playing for over 3 years maybe a little over 4 I forget. I used to jungle back when sated devourer was a thing. It is not time. Last year I played over 6 hours a day 6 days a week for a year and a half. Some days over 8 hours.

Thousands of games. But when you play with low elo, you never get to play the game to its full effect. I have to play within the confines of my group. They always flame, they always harass, they always threaten to report or get someone banned. There is almost always a troll. And they will beg for group mid every game and then run away when you engage...every damned time. Then the second team fight, if you are not there then it's your fault they lost. Or if you are there and they lose then you shouldn't have done something. It is amazing the twisted logic people use. Why are we all mid if we are just going to walk around in a circle and leave?

I have seen every troll and asshole example there is.

I have played with some great people too and even made a few friends. Those are less than 1%. By "great" I don't mean good at winning. They were cooperative at trying to win even when we lost. It was a fun game regardless. We did our best and sometimes the other team was just better.

But that is rare.

webstar1108Apr 20, 20181 votes

Lulu > Raka right now i think

webstar1108Apr 20, 20181 votes

Panth is a silly support pick that works depending on your team. Start spellthiefs and Black Cleaver. Aery as rune. Q Q Q Q Q Q Q Q QQ the adc or support for poke and gold, your stun has AP scaling so early trades are great.

NubulasApr 20, 20181 votes

Why not use comet for even harder poke with Q? I tried panth sup, get close enough to Q and half your health goes away.

Lots of things work when you are better than the opponent. The enemy is always better than me. I need to play something that is hard to beat even when they are better than you are.

webstar1108Apr 20, 20181 votes

Aery poke is way better because his Q cd is so low. Plus his Q does not slow so they can dodge Comet. Just make sure you have your block up and youll win trade. Like i said though, you it only works in certain matchups. Like vs a Karma Kog or something that cannot stop you on the spot like Vayne E, Janna Q, Lulu W, Morg QE, Thresh E, Cait's ranges and E.

2Charmnot2CharmApr 19, 20182 votes

Support is easy af though, i climbed from silver 1 to p5 on my smurf by just spamming support and have a 80%+ winrate if i ignore my non support games https://i.imgur.com/vxfEOlR.png

No i did not have a adc/jungle duo playing with me cause imo that defeats the whole point of playing "solo" queue.

AzadetheApr 20, 20181 votes

Lmfao whatever works I guess (Low Elo don't know how to play vs Lulu).

I should pop out Lulu on my smurf..... but I'm too addicted to

Karma Nami Morgana Ornn Evelynn

NekoniClawsApr 19, 20182 votes

I checked your match history for pointers, expecting some Thresh-

I see quite a lot of Thresh. God of playmaking-- but in lower elo, highly untrusted and people literally don't know how to work with him. Even if you are a Thresh god, unless you have a duo I'd sit that guy out for ranked. Especially when you can take someone with a much higher winrate.

But besides that, the fact is people who have climbed more than you or me have put up with the same nonsense teammates. I felt a similar irritation recently and I sought out advice from a diamond who's spent some time smurfing-- he said be more choosey over roaming and focus on who's gonna' carry the game for you. ADC feeding? Roam. Mid useless? Focus on ADC (includes taking the tower and rotating)

Though I gotta' say your match history more implies sup as a preferred role- you don't onetrick it and perhaps it's simply you're not used to some of your team's non-verbal cues. One-tricking is pretty powerful for ranked.

BroLaneApr 19, 20182 votes

Respectfully I disagree. Support is too strong atm, and alot of my games are decided in bottom lane.

AzadetheApr 20, 20181 votes

What players fail to realize is, what you see mostly perception. You may find supports annoying, but...

-They underdamage everyone in the game unless they are a mage out of their cast. -Heals are unreliable, because to be effective, champions have to take a lot of damage for them to be consistently of use (normally healers are just topping off champs; maybe 5-6k a game actually goes toward a fight that changes an outcome) -Being a Heal or Shield bot does not make it an effective champ. The scope of independent play around champs who exclusively do this rely on TEAMS to make their kit reliable. (For example, a support who has an adc that misses CS levels slower, weaker, and gets less XP per minion that an adc misses. If your adc gets 4 of 12 cs, you're screwed, because the opponent laners are going to be ahead 1 1/2 levels) -Gold incomes for a support have dropped about 2-4k Since January. It's rare to even be able to effectively buy items unless your adc is the winner, or if YOU are carrying.

-Most LCS toppers are not Supports.

(Support envy imo comes from adcs who believe they should have a free reign to duel the other adc)

In Truth, all roles are causes of game decisions.

A poor top performance results in entire lanes lost in the blink of an eye or an unleashed fed Darius killing everyone.

A poor mid performance results in 2v4 bottom lanes, and high pressure lane pushes that box the defending team in a corner where they can't farm or leave their base for objectives like drakes.

A poor jungle performance results in loss of objectives, idling of counterpicked laners, and the oppression of good laners by good junglers.

A poor adc results in an underperforming support, and a potential powerhouse killer for the other team.

Malix FarwinApr 20, 20182 votes

Actually support mains are doing quite well climbing in this meta its mid and top that are the hardest to climb as atm. As support you at least have some sort of control of how fed the enemy bot lane gets.

i mean taking a look at your match history, you are losing games when you are ahead on other lanes but when it comes to support if you are doing well you seem to win almost everytime.

In fact your highest win rates are on your supports and they are 60%+.

Soraka RulesApr 19, 20181 votes

Supporting is carriable since adc is so strong this season. Psst, master Soraka (anything under plat cant deal with a good raka)

webstar1108Apr 19, 20181 votes

The thing is though in Silver 1/3 ADC's are actually good. Soraka is not as good as Janna or Lulu right now and she is sooooooo boring.

Soraka RulesApr 19, 20182 votes

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The thing is though in Silver 1/3 ADC's are actually good. Soraka is not as good as Janna or Lulu right now and she is sooooooo boring.

Soraka is pretty good actually. If you max Q in lane, you can out-trade, do a ton of harass, and keep your adc full hp. Try her out! She has a ton of influence in low elo if you're good with her

Plus her Q range makes it easy to poke the enemy adc when they go for last hits.

NubulasApr 19, 20182 votes

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The thing is though in Silver 1/3 ADC's are actually good. Soraka is not as good as Janna or Lulu right now and she is sooooooo boring.

I tried to play raka a couple times on other account..very boring.

webstar1108Apr 20, 20181 votes

Yea shes pretty good but Lulu and Janna are better i think and more engaging (as in more fun)

NubulasApr 20, 20181 votes

Been thinking about LULU lately. Don't know about Jana, I get tired of hearing those tornadoes.

NubulasApr 19, 20182 votes

Only a select few ADCs are strong. This is the RIOT way. No balance, no choice. If you want to win you have to play one of 4 or 5 champs. Of course once you save up enough to buy those, they get nerfed and RIOT comes out with a new one that kills everyone.

Repeat.

Soraka RulesApr 19, 20181 votes

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Only a select few ADCs are strong. This is the RIOT way. No balance, no choice. If you want to win you have to play one of 4 or 5 champs. Of course once you save up enough to buy those, they get nerfed and RIOT comes out with a new one that kills everyone.

Repeat.

Feels good to own them all :D

ShablagooApr 19, 20181 votes

Play Soraka, Janna, Nami, Taric, or Rakan. BUt mostly Janna if you play Janna you probably have a 50+% chance of winning if if its ur first game.

webstar1108Apr 20, 20181 votes

I have played 1-2 Janna games and not won. You need a good adc for Janna because she is not great at ganking mid if the adc is useless

ShablagooApr 20, 20181 votes

My friend if you are having problems with janna ur gonna have a bad time. Even if your adc is doing bad you can still support every other thing in the map man. Thats why support is actually the strongest roles in the game a good support vs a bad support can win certain games. I have a feeling ur not a good support cuz if you are constantly loosing with things like sona, janna, nami, and even soraka then support isnt for u. SOraka is one of the most forgiving support sin the game.