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When you think about it, DQ isnt actually that bad

FBI Officer·7/5/2016, 11:37:23 PM·6 votes·612 views

Ik ill get a lot of downvotes for this, but hear me out. You are not being stuck in whatever division youre in because DQ and premades. Yes its a bit unfair if enemy has a premade better than yours or u dont have a premade at all, but you lose games because the mistakes you make. Got 4 man gangbanged bot? Your fault for not being ready for that and not warding properly / playing too aggresive. Your premade is dumb af? Show youre good, carry their lame ass. U say DQ ruins competitiveness of LoL, but the truth is, if youre good u can easily get to diamond alone and then there will be mostly solos and duos and an occasional trio. Ranked below diamond 4 is not truly competitive atm and people get in divisions they dont deserve, AKA boosted animals. But for your own sake, stop complaining, git gud and carry yourself to diamond and u will barely feel dynamic q and probably wont really care, i know dat from my own experience. Carrying retards and boosted animals may not be easy, but it is most certainly not impossible, even vs premades. Best of luck in your climb (unless u happen to be playing vs me, then i want u to run it down mid like gud old tyler1 hehe xd)

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YJRBqwXJcS7/5/2016, 11:39:27 PM3 votes

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Ik ill get a lot of downvotes for this, but hear me out. You are not being stuck in whatever division youre in because DQ and premades.

boosted animal alert

redniwediS7/5/2016, 11:54:57 PM2 votes

There are legitimate concerns with Dynamic Queue, however the hate train, as displayed by Asinine in this thread, simply won't attach themselves to it. They would rather blame Dynamic Queue for their own problems and insult anyone who likes it and what it was supposed to be than look at the real problems it has.

You do a fairly good job covering the problems the haters would focus on, but the big thing you missed is that Dynamic Queue waters down the achievement of reaching a given rank. Not that Duo Queuing really made the old Solo Queue a real representation of your own skill, but it showed individual skill far better than Dynamic Queue does. Your rank used to be considered a representation of personal skill (even though anyone who actually knows how ranked works knows otherwise), and that is the largest problem people have now that any number of people can queue together.

Dynamic Queue was made to allow friends to queue up and show off their teamwork, and while it does do that it also allows for carrying people to ranks they should not be allowed to have. Not everyone cares about being a player of said rank, some just want their account to show something better than what they deserve.

This is the real problem we need to be talking about. The idea behind Dynamic Queue is fine. It was implemented in a way that allows this idea to work, which is fine. The implementation opened a large can of worms that needs closing, and yet the hate train is focused on boosted animals and premades.

I hope you don't get too many downvotes OP, because we really need to refocus on what matters when it comes to the future of ranked.

Vanjie7/6/2016, 12:29:41 AM2 votes

The problem you fail to realize is that Riot is forcing players to group in ranked. If players want to solo que and not be forced to play against a premade, then they should have the option. Here are the several reasons why Dynamic Que doesn't work.

  • Riot forces solo players, who don't want to be that one person who fills the spot on a premade, to join a premade group. There is no way for a solo player to communicate with a premade. 90% of the time the solo player is harassed, blamed, and is out of sync with premades.
  • Premades receive better rewards like increased IP, LP and experience and don't receive harsher penalties for losing games. Premades receive the same LP loss and gain as someone who is forced to play with and against them. Implementing badges that show that solo players are queing by themselves does not solve the problem.
  • Premade groups are boosting their low elo friends.
  • It is unfair for someone that wants to que as a solo player with other solo players, to be forced to join a premade or go up against a entire team of one. It is just not fair.
  • Premades think they are untouchable and are toxic. My games have been more toxic than any other games I have played in . . . . normals or ranked. Premades have all of their friends report someone that isn't even doing anything wrong.
  • Que times are in my opinion way longer than they have ever been.

Riot wants to:

  • Still force solo players to group with premades as a "fill in" but have a separate ladder that is group and solo. This way solo players are are being given the credit they are supposed to in games. This is not going to solve the problem at all. Riot is still going to force solo players to play with and against premades . . . which is the entire problem.

Premades will continue to receive much better rewards, have better communication, play how they want to play, and get away with much more toxic behavior than a solo que player would. Dynamic Que, no matter how much you blame the player and tell them to carry in a game, it is not the players fault. The entire system and idea behind Dynamic Que doesn't make it right and it is out-casting an entire group of players. These players are called solo que players.

Separating the ladders will not solve the problems, implementing a in game voice chat will not solve the problem, giving better rewards to solo players will not solve the problems, and giving a useless badge to solo and premade players is not going to solve the problem. All this is going to do is put a bandied over something that is toxic and favors group play. Riot single handedly said uK you to solo players and doesn't compensate them one bit . . . . and forces them to play how they want them to play.

Solo players do not have a problem with Dynamic Que itself. Solo players have a problem with how it is implemented and not being handled. Dynamic Que favors premades way too much right now. Its been a while and Riot still hasn't done anything about it. All Riot have done is give us badges and continue to lose players on a day to day basis. Want to know why? Riot is forcing players how they want them to play instead of giving players a choice. Riot needs to give solo que players the choice of faster ques and being forced to play with premades with better rewards for them than premades receive. . . . or the option to que by themselves with other solo que players. I know the problem with premades is that they never have enough players to fill spots to get into a ranked match . . . . why doesn't Riot make the option more enticing to solo que players by giving them better rewards than anyone else queing. If a solo que players chooses to que with premades and fill in spots, they get a high-risk and high-reward granted to them. Right now there is NO INCENTIVE for solo players to que with premades . . . . and they shouldn't be forced to. What Riot needs to do is give solo players the option to que with premades for faster ques . . . . and better rewards than premades . . . . since they are giving the system the option to fill them in open premade slots.

The solution is a option for solo players to que with premades in groups or by themselves with other solo players. If solo players decide to que with premades and fill their spots, they should receive more EXP, LP, and IP than anyone else if they are put in a premade party of more than 3. That is the solution opposed to flat out "We are forcing you to play how we want you to play."