It used to be; A good Katarina could beat a decent Orianna in a manner of skill - even though Orianna is a pretty good counter.
now
a bad Orianna can beat a good Katarina, in a matter of mages being the new assassins. Ori can combo kill + auto attack a katarina to death before any kind of (passive) dagger play can happen. Throw a dagger in the air for move speed, and yep youre dead before it lands.
Sad but true.
lolipopevelynn2 votestwo things:
fix those two issues and i think new kat would be insane. of course they wont do this tho and instead buff her damage or some other random bull shit that will break her and force nerfs elsewhere.
right now im trying her out with 45% CDR, seems to be working.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesActually... a good Katarina could of won a pro Orianna... A pro Katarina could of made the pro Orianna make a rage thread in the boards cough was just once, pretty much lost my access to EUW boards after I answered to him cough and now a good Katarina can beat only Lee Sin, Orianna, Zed (early game) and idk... a horrible Syndra? While a pro Katarina can still beat a good Orianna a bad syndra and a pro Lee sin... That's pretty much it. I'm not adding Xerath or Swain in the list because nobody plays them anymore and they were easy kills even for a bad Kata in the past, now they are free kills more than ever... A good or pro Ziggs on the other hand... You can just dream to beat him no matter what your skill level is.
P.S I hate the new kit and want the old one back, but I'm not stupid... Orianna ain't even an issue... never understood the whine about her.
Succubús GF1 votesActually it is a very easy match for orianna, take e first as ori and deny farm and force trades, get thunderlords proc and walk away, , repeat process until 3 and then all in her with q,w,e and you will easily win. If she tries to engage on you with an all in at 2, use e,q, auto repeatedly. Her cooldowns are higher than oris and she will lose
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesSorry, I tired with a level 12 accounts vs a level 30 orianna from plat elo, I didn't know that a level 30 Kata has bigger issues than a level 12... Should note that in my book... Glad you teach me how to play my champion even if I tried it already against a proper orianna with 19 levels (account) advantage...
Succubús GF2 votesi have mained kat for 2 years, i know her ins her outs and her ranges, i was speaking on post rework
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesYou're right, my 8 years and over 10k games with her don't count for anything. You are the greater person. And even if I hate this ugly rework, I still claim that orianna isn't an issue... Ahri is, but orianna isn't, never was and never will...
Succubús GF2 votesKatarina hasent even been out for 8 years so.. Also your profile only has season 6 from the looks of it
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesOpen beta. This isn't my main account. Riot celebrated 10 years 2 months ago. League Of Legends is their first game. Katarina was already out with official release. End of story.
Succubús GF1 votes|I would love to see your main account? Not to mention LoL's beta was in 2009 as well ;o
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesEnded 2009... And my main account was perma banned a year ago and deleted after I kindly asked and proved that it's mine so I can get my summoner name back... And this one is just my cute name, for the boards.
Edit. Plus it's mid November, the game is already inside the 8th year since released as October 27 has passed... You count it as 8 years as you are inside the 8th year period, finishing 8 years 2017... Aka you can easily say 8 years, just because that 1 day which passed.
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8mOWOgsw,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T04:40:41.234+0000)
Ended 2009... And my main account was perma banned a year ago and deleted after I kindly asked and proved that it's mine so I can get my summoner name back... And this one is just my cute name, for the boards.
Edit. Plus it's mid November, the game is already inside the 8th year since released as October 27 has passed... You count it as 8 years as you are inside the 8th year period, finishing 8 years 2017... Aka you can easily say 8 years, just because that 1 day which passed.
kats INITIAL rework is 4 years old, as she was relaunched in 2012. talking a bout a kat pre 2012 is completely pointless.
but none of that matters. it doesnt matter if u mained a champ for 1 year or for 4 years, what matters is knowledge. shaclone has mained shaco for many years, yet he still doesnt understand how to make the new shaco work.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesSweetpie.... Let me tell you a secret... Katarina's rework 2012 was her W moving to her Q and to her E and getting a new W and becoming prettier than she was. Basically her "rework' wasn't really a rework but adding a new skill, while this guttering which happened 2016 is actually a reworked that massively changed her Q W E... Do you see the difference dear? And actually her Q became her old W combined with Q 6-7 months ago... So basically her Q was unchanged, except the pretty new animations and her E gained the 15% damage reduction it had from the W. Oh excuse me and they added that lovely mark, which is a BONUS, instead of a rework... so clearly the "2012 rework" isn't a rework but a buff combined with prettiness... So saying "Pre rework Katarina" is basically Release till 2016, Katarina, as she was always the same and now she isn't... Amusing... right?
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8mOWOgsw,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T05:02:11.952+0000)
Sweetpie.... Let me tell you a secret... Katarina's rework 2012 was her W moving to her Q and to her E and getting a new W and becoming prettier than she was. Basically her "rework' wasn't really a rework but adding a new skill, while this guttering which happened 2016 is actually a reworked that massively changed her Q W E... Do you see the difference dear? And actually her Q became her old W combined with Q 6-7 months ago... So basically her Q was unchanged, except the pretty new animations and her E gained the 15% damage reduction it had from the W. Oh excuse me and they added that lovely mark, which is a BONUS, instead of a rework... so clearly the "2012 rework" isn't a rework but a buff combined with prettiness... So saying "Pre rework Katarina" is basically Release till 2016, Katarina, as she was always the same and now she isn't... Amusing... right?
Uh, if we are going by your logic here then all that happened with her current rework was that her W was moved to her passive and she gained a new ability. That's all that happened lol. Her E exactly the same, her Q exactly the same minus the mark, and her ult is literally the same, infact it was buffed number wise.
I don't see your point at all. also, you are ignoring the fact that kat became a broken reset mess with that 2012 rework which resulted in perm bans and eventual nerfs. So don't act as if it wasn't a drastic change.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesHer W is completly different. Her passive has new mechanics that never existed and are horribly bad and slow. Her Q is massivly changed, no mark and less bounces, damage is massively changed and most cases useless now. Her E is complelty different, because it cant ward jump and it transports skillshots after her for no good reason at all and hasa solo reflect, by my logic only R is the same and the ult isnt buffed, it was nerfed 4 tiems before official release and it's lower damage than it was before... And no at 2012 Kata was perfectly fine and in all her charm. She got nerfed to a level where only a good player can play her out of silver ,which was awesome and i could just spam her whole day and win my games without issues, because nobody saw her as a problem... When you win games with a champion that's considered with under plat, then you know she isnt broken or unskilled, but complex and hard and awesome... especially with all the new items and CCs that came ingame since 2012 and now...
lolipopevelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8mOWOgsw,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-12T02:48:54.250+0000)
You're right, my 8 years and over 10k games with her don't count for anything. You are the greater person. And even if I hate this ugly rework, I still claim that orianna isn't an issue... Ahri is, but orianna isn't, never was and never will...
the game hasnt been out for 8 years, let alone kat lol
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesOpen beta. This isn't my main account. Riot celebrated 10 years 2 months ago. League Of Legends is their first game. Katarina was already out with official release. End of story.
lolipopevelynn1 votesoh one other thing, she should be able to ward hop again.
