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Positional Ranked Hurts

jhanno··5 votes·1,385 views

Hi, im a jungle main and I believe this positional ranked system is hurting my climb. I have only played one provisional game on top (which would have been better to not play) and it has my rank at silver 1. My jungle rank is currently gold 3 and I only get 18-20 lp per win (usually 18/19) and then it splashes 3 over to top lane provisional rank. I do not intend to finish my top ranked games and yet lp is going to this rank. The rank I want to climb with is constantly missing promotion series by a few lp because I am not getting the lp I used to get before I played a top game. I wish I never played that game of top because now im getting less lp and worse mmr teammates when I am in a higher rank.

Before playing the game of top I would get 23+ lp on jungle now I get around 18/19lp. I find myself constantly needing less than one games worth of lp to advance to promotion but would rather play my main role and not be forced to play a role I dont play and have less of a chance of winning in.

Not to mention that it seems like most important games to get to promotion or in promotion have games where the matchmaking seems very messed up. Take for example this game I just played last night.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2985116961/231155471?tab=overview

I had a silver 1 top laner on my team go up against a plat 4 1.4 mill mastery point riven main. The games are totally unbalanced and this is just one example of the many mismatched elo games I have played this season.

Please Riot, I love this game but the climb seems so hard right now. Especially for players who take pride in one role and want to excel in that role rather than be forced to play others.

Thank you!

10 Comments

Sukishoo3 votes

The LP is NOT being split to other roles though. You are still gaining 18-20 in a win which means you are generally where you are supposed to be for that ranking. The others roles get a splash of 3 to help them climb because Riot wanted there to be an incentive for off roles.

It's really unlikely that you'd be getting 23 a game, when you can get super high things like 60-70 in Placements and then it drops back down to the 18-20 range. I gain 30 points a win because I'm below my range of where I've been in the past, so that's why mine would gain more and then decline as I got closer.

jhanno1 votes

I understand that it is not being split between the roles, I may have worded myself incorrectly. I am usually getting 18/19 lp which ends up leaving me with a few lp needed to get to promotions. I know plenty of friends who are the same rank as me who are gaining 23+ lp as well as getting 3-5 lp for each of their other roles so I am not sure why I am getting 18. I got even 17 for one win yesterday and that really disappointed me as I feel I have been winning more and it should go up.

Sukishoo2 votes

It's all based on the MMR. Theirs is most likely higher in the system than where yours is, so it gives them more points. We don't know for sure though since only Riot can see those numbers and we just have to speculate.

jhanno1 votes

I have compared both mmr and ranks. As you say only riot knows the true numbers but in each case we have the same mmr if not I have a little higher.

VvVVvV2 votes

Yes it is possible to have the same rank as someone else but the MMR is way different. it can be caused by win streaks and loss streaks.

letsgetmagical2 votes

i was gaining 21-24 lp a win at p3 last season. this season is a god dam mess i was placed in gold 4 and won 21/24 games and guess what i was only gaining 18lp and less in some and really lost hope of ever seeing my lp gain go higher than 18 after winning 12 games in a row and still would just give me 17-18 lp

jhanno1 votes

Everyone I know is still getting 21+ lp. Even though we have played rank this season as much as each other and mmr is the same. I was gold 1 last season and while that is not far off my current rank it is still lower than where it was and I feel my lp gains are lower than they should be. The main point of my article as well isnt about lp gains as much as the positional ranking system not being ideal for ranked. We have people queuing up for roles they dont care about or for their friends roles and switching and the games arent always the best quality because of it. Why not just let players play their assigned role as it was before.

I have never gotten less than 20 lp for a win up until this system was put in place and with the combination of 18-19 lp and positional ranked, ranked has been much harder to climb for me on my main role.

Beerstein2 votes

I tried doing autofill all at least through provisionals but it's a mess. Going back to my main role. The inconsistency from myself, and from others is insane.

Mathetes4 votes

League of Dice Rolls is what the game should be named

letsgetmagical2 votes

I feel you i started this season off very strong as expect cause i was p3 last season and got placed in gold 4. i played all my games in the support role. and i literally won 21/24 games (had 12 game winstreak but was getting 18 lp each game and didnt skip a tier lmfao) and i only got gold 2 and 50ish lp from my original placement of gold 4. and then i started playing all my other roles and got them to the same rank cause i was sick of having to carry games as brand support since its still sometimes very hard even tho im 4x better than what i get paired against. since ppl dont understand how to not die every 2mins in lane phase. Now im gold 4 in ALL my ranks and i'm now stuck in an elo i really dont belong in but teammates are keeping me in cause they feed their asses off and don't care since most time ill have just 1 guy (and thats all it takes to throw the game) who gets placed in off role and just doesn't care cause hes only losing 3 lp off his overall rank. this system is not logical atleast not for the average solo queue player which league has millions of.

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