so i dont know how people can defend him his E and Q or OP i hear that there hard to land but every fizz seems to do it with ease and thet fact that i cant hit him is just way too OP. i mainly Talon mid and i expect to lose lane but this is just too much. i understand some moves are untargetable but even in master Yis case he has to hit a unit with fizz he can do it when ever he wants to
Lights And Magic7 votesFizz isn't really that OP. Play a champ with heavy cc and build bruiser (like 
or 
). Destroy him (read: play very aggressive) before he gets his combo and he'll be useless. If you want an OP assassin, look at 
.
(Also @papafizz, 
isn't an assassin. He's a fighter)
DrCyanide4 votesRiot says Yasuo is an Assassin (as his secondary). Mind you, Xerath also is a secondary assassin, and I'm not sure Riot knows what "Assassin" should even mean in the first place, but papafizz is correct.
RoyaiChaos4 votesLabels are often outdated and thus inaccurate.
Tempered Salute1 votesXerath is a mage asssasin, which makes sense to me when you consider his ult.
The Whamboozler3 votesPsst. Fizz counters the hell out of Swain. Do not take this man's advice. Few things are more miserable for Swain to face than a hugely mobile burst champ that reduces how much he heals with his ult up.
buster kiton1 votesPsst. Fizz counters the hell out of Swain. Do not take this man's advice. Few things are more miserable for Swain to face than a hugely mobile burst champ that reduces how much he heals with his ult up.
This is 100% true. If you want a real counter to the fish, try playing Kassadin. Start with flask. Use your Q on him always when you can (if he E's to avoid it, he will OOm fast early on in the game). You can win every single trade where you have your Q and W up, and post- 6 you roam faster, can tank his burst (passive+ Q shield), can avoid his E damage and ultimates with R and you scale at least as hard as he does.
Rinky Dinky2 votesSays fizz isnt op.
Calls Akali op.
Wat
Lyrxen1 votesFirst time I won vs an Akali was with fizz, so...
shadecrapper1 votesFizz does pretty well against her. His damage is good and he can get away. Along with being able to chase her, you can also E her in her shroud if she has low hp. She ults you, you hit E. Her ult misses and now she is under you get smashed. Then you R, she cant het away, and W+Q... Shes dead. Although any one that plays smart can win against Akali. She is a noob stomper.
Konidias7 votesThe problem with straight up assassin champs in LoL is solo q.
It's hard enough to get people to group as 5... let alone actually deal with countering an assassin. Usually what ends up happening is the team takes the assassin one at a time and gets wiped.
One guy gets caught out... deleted. Another guy is nearby and thinks he can help... deleted. The remaining 3 players all rush in to try and do something.... the opposing team comes in and CC's them... assassin then proceeds to delete, delete, delete. GG.
It's not about Katarina's ult at all. She doesn't even need it if she gets a couple levels ahead of everyone.
While I understand that fed champs are a problem in general... fed assassin's are the biggest problem.
You ever see a fed Master Yi? Yeah, that game is over in solo q. I've watched a Yi literally dive people under turret no problem and barely even take a scratch of damage. He's basically impossible to outrun once he is fed... so he just runs all over the place picking off people until the team surrenders. Something just needs to be done about these snowball champs that can fight through the entire team without a care. Like... limit their resources or something so they can only kill 1-2 people like that before they have to slow down and actually be cautious about continuing.
But right now it's like "YAY I GOT A KILL. NO STOPPING ME NOW! WEEEEEEEE!!!!" and then you just faceroll the keyboard until you get an ace.
Doogmi1 votesAssassins are only there to do damage, and all of them snowball. Kat is no better than any other assassin in terms of snowballing. Also this game isn't and shouldn't be balanced around solo q. She is fine and has clear strengths and weaknesses. Assassins are opprotunists and exploit windows yi has been easy to deal with since season one lol. Exhuast when he goes in, he will either back off or use his w. Cc him him then blow him up. Saying nerf "x" champion because player "a" punished player "b" for making a mistake is a poor argument in my opinion.
EverTokki1 votesTrue. Idk if the assassins are hard to control but you see, always, if someone is fed, they'd be an assassin.
Konidias5 votesReally the only thing I'm disliking about this game is for some champs to have the ability to completely erase an ENTIRE team by themselves if not stopped.
Seriously... it's really broken and I know the only reason they allow it is for those "big LCS plays" because it's thrilling to watch one player jump from target to target, cleaning house. Hence the announcers getting super excited when tristana is literally jumping from target to target, finishing them off for quadra/penta kills...
It's like they designed certain champs exactly to get penta kills
Doogmi6 votesKatarina had so many big LCS plays in worlds this year ;) seriously though all her damage is tied to her ult. Look at the ratios and bases for all of her abilities, they are pathetic. Her 1 damage ability is the easiest move in the game to interrupt. If skill shots are too hard take targeted cc then blow her up ezpz. The old kat was way scarier, reworked kat is too easy to shut down
Rinky Dinky2 votesDidnt know Tristana's name was Katarina
Konidias4 votescase in point, a katarina just carried the enemy team because she was jumping from target to target and deleting everyone.
"oh you got a kill katarina? congrats! you get gold, xp... oh and here's 15 second cooldown reduction on ALL of your skills!"
"oh you got a kill non-broken champ? congrats! you get gold, xp... and... yep that's it!"
WeihGuy2 votesstop her ult and her other ratios are pure garbage. With no cooldown it takes Katarina 3 resets to get back her ult. If a team can't shut her down by then, they deserve to get penta killed.
For Ashe3 votesHe isn't really much of an OP but is just frustrating to play against.
Son Of Beldar2 votesSeriously, build some CC vs Kat and save it for the ult. It's simple as that. Last night in ARAM I saved my fear as Fiddle for any time she decided to ult. She Shunpo's in and starts to ult, I fear and then drain. Dead Kat.
And as for the OP, yes Fizz is one of those champs like Akali, Yasuo, few others that if they get rolling they're going to be a nightmare. That's their nature all around. They are weak early, and if you let them start racking up kills they just snowball out of control. Key is to know this going in and get your jungler or other lanes to help you make sure they are only completing their 3rd item by 30 minutes. Fizz with Zhonyas, boots and a NLR at 25 minutes is not very scary. Fizz with Zhonyas, boots, LichBane, Rabbadon's, etc... at 25 minutes is like some hellish fever dream.
Tempered Salute1 votesOnly problem is, Fizz isn't weak once he hits level 3. That's all he needs then he can beat a lot of champs, and at 6, forget it. Yas at least needs levels and an item. Yas recovers from a loss lane far better, though. It's almost like riot's main concern is to balance the OP champs with one another, then fuck the rest, we'll just lift them in their own "tier." I put "tier" in quotes because people insist this game is balanced. If niche counter selects somehow got a super boost that roaming assassin could not deal with, fine...but nothing truly counters an assassin if you know what I mean.
shadecrapper1 votesAgreed. Unless if you harassed Fizz. Keep him at half HP, which is easy to do if he wants cs, and he wont do much. Then his mid to late game is ruined. Especially if you keep his lane pushed so that he cant roam.
shadecrapper1 votesYasuo is still pretty OP early. His shield stops a lot of harass.
The Whamboozler2 votesso i dont know how people can defend him his E and Q or OP i hear that there hard to land but every fizz seems to do it with ease and thet fact that i cant hit him is just way too OP
His Q is targetted. It's impossible to not land if you're in range for it. His e isn't that hard to land either and it's a get out of bad positioning free card. Lee Sin wishes he was as untouchable as Fizz.
#deleteFizz2014
PapaFizz1 votesNo hes not....
Hahaha I kid. His kit is a little bit better than yasuo's. Rito's new meta, Soon™: Assassins capable of wiping an majority of a team and live (See yasuo).
Brenticus121 votesYou haven't played Yasuo after all of his nerfs then. You'd be lucky to get out alive after a teamfight and even 1v1s can be taxing, which it shouldn't for a hyper carry.
The Whamboozler3 votesNo. A champ should be able to 1v5 easily despite being 0/6 because his passive gives him insane power just from farming. Seriously. Hypercarries that can't be shut down are cancer. I hope Yasuo ends up less played than Urgot. At least Vayne feels RISKY to use. Yas wipes teams with ease and snowballs hard.
On a related note, Fizz is also cancer and needs to join Yasuo in the deleted pile.
Tempered Salute1 votesRight? One bad Tumble with Vayne and you're shut down. You literally only have to get Yas's timing down to be op with him (it can be hard to hit them at optimal split-second timing). Other advanced Yasuo things include knowing how to clear a minion wave while creating chaos for enemy champions around. Once you master that ability, that is it. Minion waves are relatively static. Vayne on the other hand is not. Her Tumble has to be planned, and planned even further to utilize condemn properly. Once you've master Yas, that's it. There's nothing more to do.
Brenticus121 votesWhat's the use of damage when you get blown up right before you can dish it out? Yasuo's shield is shit, his health is shit and he needs to sacrifice a powerspike to compensate for this making him hard to use in mid-game.
Yes, his passive is annoying and that is the one thing Riot didn't nerf because they're idiots like that. No one wanted his base stats to be nerfed, just nerf his passive to 50-60% Crit damage instead of the current 80%. But no, they nerfed his base stats making him useless early to mid game and risky in late game.
He's supposed to be a hypercarry like Akali, LeBlanc, Fizz and Zed. Notice anything? Most of these can easily get in and out of team fights, Yasuo can't.
He's not no skill like all of you keep repeating. Play him in high elo and try to win lane. Just try. Unless you're going against some you directly counter like TF, Ahri or Vel Koz, you'd be lucky to go even in lane.
Fizz can literally jump in and kill three people AND get out. Same with Akali, LeBlanc and Zed. As Yasuo, you'd be lucky to get two kills on the squishiest members and then die to hard CC with no way to get out since his dash is enemy targetted, not a skillshot and can't dash to allies.
shadecrapper1 votesI agree about Yasuo. He ruins games for me. No fun at all. In solo Q he is basically in every game because he is soooo broken.
5 Stacks GG2 votesNo hes not....
Hahaha I kid. His kit is a little bit better than yasuo's. Rito's new meta, Soon™: Assassins capable of wiping an majority of a team and live (See yasuo).
lol this guy his so troll Stop defending all freelo
Annie Tea Party1 votesI totally agree
FiniteApple1 votesnu-uh /fishslaps
It Is I Emoto1 votesI have quite a bad time against Fizz, because I don't know what to do against him :/ He has quite a decent winrate in ranked, though Sometimes people know how to handle him but how though.
shadecrapper1 votesPush his lane and harass the shit out of him. Watch him cry and do nothing for the rest of the game.
Electrosphere1 votesStay outside of 550 range and profit, if you are within 550 range, he can W+Q onto you then it is nearly impossible to dodge his E unless flashing. If you poke around 600 range it is really easy to dodge his E. Also you need to have some sort of advantage when he gets ult, getting sharked is almost same as getting killed. Shark is still tricky to dodge if you are not expecting it.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesI do pretty ok with 
against Fizz.
trexmixG1 votesI'm tired of the "x champ is OP" argument. I get so much crap for playing Akali, because I'm a "noob" who only uses "OP champs," when in reality, I enjoy using her and if you don't like that I can carry, pick her or another "OP" champ yourself. I understand that some champs are better than others-- in this case, CHOOSE THE GOOD ONES that you are good with. Honestly, it doesn't matter if and OP champ is in the hands of the noob.
Mannysmoker1 votesplay this guy 
in mid and 
gonna cry blood tears...literally!!!
Kuroi861 votesNot op, just toxic as all hell. Either to well and unfun to play against, or do crappy and unfun to play as.
HitsFromTheBomb1 voteshad a shit fizz on my team yesterday - he went 1/10 in laning phase fed like a beast the whole team ... he lost lane all the way up to base , so mid-late game he roams to my jungle farms up and gets some items .. he ended that game 19/12 as team fights turned into a fizz pole dance .... i had no fun whatsoever trying to deal with his mistakes for most of the game only to have him use my farm late game as his meal ticket to the majority of the kills ... was i happy we won after nearly 50 minutes ... i dont even know ... did i have fun .. NOPE ...
PapaFizz1 votesEveryone who looked at my name and immediately thought I'm a fizz player is a jack ass. Fizz is broken I wont bb defending him.
shadecrapper1 votesI wouldnt say he is OP. A lot of people know how to lane against him and know what he does. If you are a melee champ laning against him then good luck. But if you arent, you out range him and there isnt much he can do about it. The people that say "his Q, E, and R make it so he can get close to you super fast" well those are his damage also. They have long cool downs early game and having to burn them to get to you makes his damage out put laughable. If he gets pushed to tower early its gg for Fizz. Unless he roams. Then he can get back and do something. Mid vs Zed, Ryze, or a ranged mid laner is rather hard. Zed is just as slippery, if not more, and you cant use your E because you are saving it to stop his ult. Then against a Yasuo... Well I hate Yasuo because his shield. It stops a lot of trade potential and he slams you for a tone of damage. Fizz is too dependent on items to be OP. Early on his mana is a joke. 250 or something like that, while is E costs 100. A full combe takes half his mana. While mid laners that dont have mana can spam their abilities at you the whole time.
