The Ornn Rework - How does his passive choose which item to upgrade on allies if they have multiple

JackalOfNarr··3 votes·23,850 views

Hey all,

Sort of a fan of the Ornn rework. I've enjoyed playing him jungle since release and like the feel of roaming to people's lanes and buffing their items (even if it generally happens late game when you're really already grouping as a team). Just had a question about how his new passive works. Since Ornn's new passive upgrades one of his allies' applicable items when he gets in range, how does it choose which item to upgrade if the ally has multiple options in their inventory? For example, if a mage has a Deathcap, Zhonyas, and Ludens, which item will be upgraded? Same way with Ornn... if he has a Sunfires, Frozen Fist, and Abyssal Mask when he turns lvl 13, which 2 items get upgraded? Just trying to figure out how Riot may have coded it.

Cheers, Ornn

UPDATE:

Got an answer while looking at a Dev board:

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At the moment it works on an internal priority system. I've been thinking about some other options, like maybe whatever is in the earliest slot? Curious what you guys might think would work here.

The "internal priority system" isn't clarified from what I can see but it looks like they are considering some clearer ways for people to choose what item upgrades.

UPDATE #2:

Great subreddit here, TLDR: Ornn upgrades based on slot order. Therefore, teammates should drop the item they want to upgrade in a higher slot than any other potentially upgradeable items.

https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/bi2wqj/since_no_one_knows_how_ornn_passive_works_here_is/

22 Comments

JackalOfNarr3 votes

Got an answer while looking at a Dev board:

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At the moment it works on an internal priority system. I've been thinking about some other options, like maybe whatever is in the earliest slot? Curious what you guys might think would work here.

The "internal priority system" isn't clarified from what I can see but it looks like they are considering some clearer ways for people to choose what item upgrades.

Support Hotline2 votes

Ya, I hope they will did it. It's annoying when Ornn upgrades Luden's instead of Rabadon's... I wondering at myself that's the pro players nothing said about it.

JackalOfNarr2 votes

Check my most recent update on the original post. Ornn should upgrade based on slot order now!

Shyntyldril2 votes

Thank you for the update!

Phieldworker1 votes

I feel like it’s random. Is it the first one built or is it the order they are in on the inventory? I’m liking him. It was a bit of a shocker having to step back a little in laning phase but overall it was fun.

DevilMire1 votes

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I feel like it’s random. Is it the first one built or is it the order they are in on the inventory? I’m liking him. It was a bit of a shocker having to step back a little in laning phase but overall it was fun.

It is not random, however it is annoying. What it does is takes what you bought first and upgrades that, if applicable. Then second, third, and so on. You don't choose except by how you build your items in what order.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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It is not random, however it is annoying. What it does is takes what you bought first and upgrades that, if applicable. Then second, third, and so on. You don't choose except by how you build your items in what order.

Ouch, so if you're a mage that builds ludens you can never get deathcrown.

JackalOfNarr1 votes

Yeah that's my problem right there ^ definitely some instances where you don't want to upgrade the first applicable item built over a stronger upgrade that comes later.

TheBrandonChance1 votes

It's not based on build order, not sure what it does. Just played a game where it upgraded Zhonyas over Ludens. Maybe the person who said it's the Item ID is right, as Luden's is 3285 and Zhonyas is 3157.

Proof

Would love it if Riot would rework this though

Pokemonred2001 votes

Items all have an item ID (which you can see when you click on an item here on the boards, since the ID is displayed in text before you post; item 3068 has an ID of 3068 and item 3001 has an ID of 3001)

If I had to guess, the item with the lowest-numbered ID would get upgraded, so Abyssal would get upgraded over Sunfire since 3001 comes before 3068.

That's just my guess though, I'm not sure if that's how it works.

TheBrandonChance1 votes

Yeah, I'm guessing that has to be it. Just tried to give Annie an upgrade in ARAM and her Zhonyas item 3157 (3157) upgraded over Ludens item 3285 (3285) which was built first. Build order

Vazamal1 votes

Sorry for the necro

I'm actually confused how to upgrade an ally's item at all. I have no idea where to do it. The shop tends to only show MY items?

JackalOfNarr1 votes

It works similar to Zilean's passive. At level's 14-17, he can just click on an ally who has an upgradable item and will start the channel for turning it into a masterwork item (takes a second or two). He can be anywhere on the map, as long as he is fairly close to his ally.

Vazamal1 votes

Okay, that's...interesting. You just...right click on your ally then? Lol.

JackalOfNarr1 votes

Yeah. Super simple.

Illabethe1 votes

The first item that they built completely. Inventory order does NOT matter.

silver1hardstuck1 votes

Wait so can't I just return to the fountain with an ally ask them to sell the eligible unwanted masterwork item, then I upgrade the other wanted masterwork item, and then my ally presses undo to get back the item they sold?

Illabethe1 votes

I haven't tested that. I usually have to chase them down across the map *cuz solo queue.

Saezio3 votes

That is definitely not true.

I played nasus in aram and I completed luden 1st (obviously) but ornn upgraded my dcap at 14 lvl.

Edit:Wait wtf online match history says my luden was upgraded, but I know my Dcap was because Ornn was my friend and he was sitting next to me and I remember I told him to wait so I swap item order just in case and it worked. Am I so horribly mistaken ?:S

Edit 2 : Not the game I had in mind, but here is proof the build order is not the answer Karthus build order, check it

silver1hardstuck1 votes

I'm getting into Ornn now since he's unique to play and brings a lot of utility to the team, you know how to upgrade a certain item?

Saezio1 votes

Bro, my A-hole is gaping in terror everytime I upgrade something and there is a chance to miss xD If you find out tell me too :D

Most Boosted NA1 votes

Yeah I am not sure how this works I just started playing ornn and waited to upgrade my mid one game until after he had ludens, cap, and glass (in which he built in that order) and the glass was the item that upgraded.

I am curious how it would work if we both sat on the fountain and they sold two items let you start the upgrade if the undo option would stay or grey out.

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