Um is it just me or is the ap items not really matched against ad items early game

Taro Móchi·Dec 23, 2015·18 votes·1,029 views

For example katarina and zed against each other in lane and they were equal or near equal on everything at level 4. Zed would have so much damage just with the item Serrated Dirk and Kat can only get Seeker's Armguard, Zed would be much stronger like... kat or someone mid wouldn't even be able to counter zed with an ap item like.... what I'm trying to say is that i in my opinion there should be a better and stronger in a way item that isn't as weak as seeker's armguard like more ap

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JefftiffyDec 23, 20154 votes

The problem is Riot reworked itemization yet again while AP itemization was nerfed for early game, so now AD is stronger early game than it used to be (it was purposely weaker due to AAs being infinite). So now both itemizations are maxed but one adds to your AAs and abilities and one only adds to your abilities. And that's where the problem lies. Because your abilities cost mana and mana regen is really bad this season. (again...) It was pretty bad last season too, but we had mana pots to overcome that and because they were deemed OP they were taken away.

ErockandrollDec 23, 20153 votes

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The problem is Riot reworked itemization yet again while AP itemization was nerfed for early game, so now AD is stronger early game than it used to be (it was purposely weaker due to AAs being infinite). So now both itemizations are maxed but one adds to your AAs and abilities and one only adds to your abilities. And that's where the problem lies. Because your abilities cost mana and mana regen is really bad this season. (again...) It was pretty bad last season too, but we had mana pots to overcome that and because they were deemed OP they were taken away.

I somewhat challenge that claim. Mostly because the mana regen on Doran's ring was actually buffed. Often enough with Burst mages like say Ahri, I can easily get enough mana with just a second Doran's ring.

But Items isn't the only factor. All champions Start with a base Armor lower than their base MR. Making Physical damage more potent Earlier in the game.

JefftiffyDec 23, 20152 votes

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I somewhat challenge that claim. Mostly because the mana regen on Doran's ring was actually buffed. Often enough with Burst mages like say Ahri, I can easily get enough mana with just a second Doran's ring.

But Items isn't the only factor. All champions Start with a base Armor lower than their base MR. Making Physical damage more potent Earlier in the game.

Double doran's has always been the solution to mana problems. Nothing about that has changed. We still have the problem of every other item not providing enough mana regen to make up for the loss of potions.

Hell I used to stack quad item 1055 on Rengar back in the day to give damage, hp, and sustain to steamroll lanes.

ltmetalDec 24, 20154 votes

Furthermore, armor itemization is noticeably worse than magic resist itemization. Just compare Chain Vest and Negatron Cloak or Warden's Mail and Specter's Cowl.

I Miss CannonDec 24, 20151 votes

MAYBE BECAUSE MAGES HAVE AN ITEM THAT GIVES 35% TOTAL MAGIC PENETRATION AND MAGIC PENETRATION BOOTS?

VictoryDance96Dec 23, 20153 votes

Getting item 3157 can make Zed's ultimate useless, allowing you to have the advantage of having an ult for dueling.

Shiyo KozukiDec 24, 20152 votes

It costs 3500 gold, you don't have 3500 gold by level6.

VictoryDance96Dec 24, 20151 votes

If you do not die and kill steal properly, maybe get him one or two times pre-6, then you can definitely get a legendary item before 15 minutes.

I Miss CannonDec 24, 20153 votes

Um is it just me or are the people here fucking retards who always have a bias towards mages and tanks?

JimmyNutrin69Dec 24, 20151 votes

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Um is it just me or are the people here fucking retards who always have a bias towards mages and tanks?

for some reason everyone here thinks adcs are 2op and mages ans tanks need buffs even though they hqve WAY better itemization

ProfDrDeathDec 24, 20151 votes

Not just you.

Sejuani and Sion had healthy performances since preseason hit - yet people cried for buffs for weeks after, and were upvoted to boot.

Reflect StratosDec 24, 20152 votes

Well I think it might be the fact that with AP, you can easily hit 700+, and with the pre season rolling around you can hit maybe 400 AD tops. The crit argument can always be made, but a lot of Champs don't benefit from crit as much as raw AD.