Janna WR: 49.0%, Karma WR: 47.9%, Lulu WR: 47.5%. Why have shielders been effectively deleted?

GanjaMeister·Aug 22, 2018·7 votes·2,117 views

Buff shielders. They've had their kits AND items nerfed to the point that they've effectively been deleted. Now we're forced to get slaughtered by Alistar, Leona, Pyke, and Nami every game.

I implore you. You must:

Revert shield duration and decay nerfs OR dramatically increase shield values
If shielders are still weak, then slightly increase shield power from items.

Shielding and protecting is a playstyle that many of us enjoy. And yet, we can't do it because of excessive and non-sensical nerfs. Buff shielders and bring this identity back into the game.

Weren't you just concerned about damage being too high? Shielders can fix that problem.

Source: http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

24 Comments

Colton147Aug 22, 20183 votes

Janna needs all of her nerfs reverted so she is brought back as #1 support.

It's been too long for Janna to be left in a gutted state.

webstar1995Aug 22, 20182 votes

She was the best support since she was released. I am glad there are no more Jinx, Trist, Kog running around with insane shields, heals, and peels

jocomotionAug 22, 20184 votes

Or, and I know this sounds crazy, but why not let a different support be #1 and leave Janna at her perfectly acceptable 50% ish winrate?

HéntaiSénpaiAug 22, 20181 votes

Why is an easy champ to play and such a low WR? That isn't acceptable. Alistar, has like. 53% WR, and is tanky, harder to play, has heals, and peel. Why isn't he nerfed? Enchanters we're gutted. Especially shield specific ones Janna Lulu Karma . Even Lux was hit by this. All shield specific enchanters are below a 50% WR 49.5-50.5% is an acceptable area. Since you should win 50% of your games.

jocomotionAug 22, 20181 votes

Dude her WR is at 49.06% that’s FAR from “such a low WR”. That’s like an B grade. There will never be a point in time where everyone has a 50% winrate because we’re not machines, there will always be one playstyle better than another at some point.

Easy champions can be strong but they can be weak too, being easy to play should have little effect on how strong a champion is. Alistar strong because the meta’s called for oppressive supports, and when defensive shielding was strong so was Janna.

Karma and Lulu could definitely use some buffs since they’re winrates ARE actually low. But Janna? She’s fine, especially for the time being. ln fact, the fact that the damage Meta has barely touched her WR means she’s pretty balanced.

HéntaiSénpaiAug 22, 20182 votes

So, I looked at league of graphs and globally the only 2 champs in a bad spot are Karma and Lulu. Both sitting at below 48% WR. Janna is fine at a 50.3%, Lux at 50-51%. Even Karma mid is bad at, 49% and Lulu mid at, 48ish%. So these 2 specifically as shield enchanters need buffs (Karma small to medium buff, Lulu Medium buff).

JamareeAug 22, 20183 votes

Weren’t people outright begging for this kind of thing to happen?

BijeesnyAug 22, 20181 votes

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Weren’t people outright begging for this kind of thing to happen?

I'm pretty sure people only wanted to nerf Lulu and Janna, not beat down whole fucking class, nerfs were overkill imo. Riot should either nerf Heal/Shield power or supports, mainly Janna and Lulu, not both.

webstar1995Aug 22, 20181 votes

This happened like 4 patches ago....at least

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20181 votes

Shielding supports (especially janna) were the meta for a LONG ass time. I think its fine for them to not be the meta supports for once.

Death by GlamourAug 22, 20181 votes

listen to this

wait for it

we nerf the strong supports?!?!?!?

Metal JannaAug 22, 20181 votes

You have to remember that winrate is based on average performance in that ELO. If a champion is perfectly balanced, but takes some skill to play well, it's going to have a slightly lower winrate than 50% due to the lesser skill of those who don't main it dragging down the winrate stat. 48 and 49% WR champs are perfectly viable, moreso if you main them. 50% WR is unwanted for mains and one tricks because it means your champ becomes meta. What becomes meta gets pickstole and banned, so you do NOT want your main to be 50% WR or more. It sure sucks to play an enchanter support when the most picked supports are Alistar, Rakan, and Thresh though. Oh well, the meta will shift eventually!

BladeleafAug 22, 20181 votes

Logic is not sound.

Every champion incurs this "drag down".

If it affects all champions, then that drag down is not a factor.

Metal JannaAug 25, 20181 votes

{quoted} If it affects all champions, then that drag down is not a factor.

Why is that?

BladeleafSep 1, 20181 votes

If 25% of Champion A's players do not main or are new to the champion and thus have a lower winrate.

The same is true for champion B.

wildfox99Aug 22, 20181 votes

why they got hardgutted?

because they are braindead and obnoxious

Shielding and protecting is a playstyle that many of us enjoy.

oh yeah i really enjoy playing any champion that isn't a tank or a artillery mage against a Lulu ,who doesn't like after a perfect engage to get polymorphed for half of the teamfight and getting rightclicked into your death because her keyboard works? or trying to do any damage but she literally give your target a second HP bar?

what you can do against a lulu when she's in meta?

literally nothing,this champion is retard-proof,she can't be outplayed by any means and there is nothing her enemies can do but hoping she'll waste her spells

many will disagree because now we are in a bursty meta so everyone wants the assassins hard gutted (looks like people already forgot about the item 3504 meta) but most assassins still have a counterplay and are interactive,they are only numerically unbalanced (e.g. if Zed would need to hit his Q to kill someone he would be a fair champion,but since there is so much damage around he doesn't need it in most of the cases)

enchanters instead have literally 0 counterplay,they are uninteractive and untill riot doesn't decide it's the moment for making their kits healthier they can't be too good without being oppressive

ShadWoooAug 22, 20181 votes

No need to buff shielders if we reduce the damage being done.

Ignite, domination, lethality, conqueror and now recently stormrazor.

Thanks to that mages are just food for oneshoters, tanks are weak, heal/shield supports not even viable.

But lets just buff tanks than deal with the real issue right?

Automated RivenAug 22, 20181 votes

Because those champions have zero skill expression and when they are strong they are downright opressive.

Also Janna at 49% winrate is slightly underperforming. Which is perfectly fine. The other two have less skill expression then Janna and are just shield bots late game. Give them interesting ways to interact or leave them out of the meta.

Until I have a way to interact with a 700 HP shield on the opposing adc I don't want to see them. And it's bad for the game for them to show up.

JustifierAug 23, 20181 votes

Because of the arguably most anti-fun meta League just broke out of. Ardent Censor Supports.

GanjaMeisterAug 24, 20181 votes

We're here We're queer We demand shielders to be brought back into the game

JarodDempseyAug 24, 20181 votes

Everyone is forgetting support Orianna who has been steadily eroded by riot since 7.16 and then when shields were heavily nerfed hers faired worst of all.