(Lissandra) you know you aren't a mage when

Silepsy·11/22/2014, 9:27:32 AM·37 votes·4,398 views

Rito say so.

The following** mages ** / tank supports are being changed to have** 6 base mana regeneration (mp5) and +0.8 mana regeneration (mp5) **growth stat:

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Apparently Rito believes that a free spell every 18s is so op that Lissandra deserves an horrible mana regen 5.67 (+0.4) (Meanwhile: Insert manaless champs with more range than Lissandra and a real passive)

Not to mention the new regen items that scales with BASE STATS (NERF), but fear not Rito is on the case.

49 Comments

Nausicäa 11/22/2014, 10:02:32 AM24 votes

Wow i honestly didnt even realize that they excluded Lissandra from the mana regen changes.

It really doesnt make sense that shes penalized for having her passive. At this point she basically doesnt even have a passive considering she also has the lowest mana regen in the game. She now has 7.5 less mana regen than every other mage at lvl 18.

And yet they included champions like Swain and Xerath who also have mana sustain passives.

I feel like Riot has completely forgotten about Lissandra in general, she could really use a small range increase on her Q, would make her a much better champion overall.

Kowe The Ewok11/22/2014, 8:00:32 PM20 votes

That poll.

chumbler11/22/2014, 7:43:24 PM17 votes

Riot's just trying to make having mana even more of a drawback so that people will only use their #LCSBIGPLAYS manaless champions. Also Lissandra has been in the forgotten champions pile for quite some time, so this is nothing new.

Junkο11/22/2014, 9:57:46 AM10 votes

following mages/tank supports gives Jayce a mana reg increase

Gj Riot

Fed by Snu Snu11/22/2014, 9:53:58 PM8 votes

I've made like 3 threads about Lissandra by now.

I'm now convinced they just don't care.

AtheosisX11/22/2014, 10:17:10 AM8 votes

So they continue the trend of negating built-in bonuses with corresponding weaknesses...

Serpents Embrace11/22/2014, 9:39:42 PM7 votes

What the fuck is going on with the design and balance teams? And the mythical Lore team, if it's real, because everything just gone to shit since 4.16. :\

SorasMemories11/23/2014, 12:17:22 AM2 votes

I think Lissandra's passive exists because they ran out of ideas while making her and just threw in something cheap and easy. Her passive should relate more to her lore, in my opinion.

DynamiteGazelle11/23/2014, 2:41:13 AM2 votes

Ya this is really stupid. They just need to up her mana regen and give her a new passive altogether. Maybe they can put this passive on one of the abilities, thats seems to be all the rage in champion design nowadays. Who cares if champions are intended to have ONE passive slot, just put a passive one all of their abilities - no problem, right? :P overloaded kits

But anyways there are other champions in the list who didn't deserve to have mana regen buffs like this ( Lissandra is not one of them). I've played against Karthus a few games recently and he massively needs a regen nerf. He can now spam his q with a really low CD and never run out of mana. I tried to just sit there and wait for him to run out of mana but I don't think he ever went below half bar in the whole of the laning phase.

KzooCrasher11/22/2014, 10:42:09 AM2 votes

As a Liss player who plays Liss a lot she doesn't need mana regens he does great already with it (if you dont spam your spells and miss)

Cindikle11/22/2014, 9:08:39 PM2 votes

If used on CD(18s) for Q that passive is worth 23.61 m/5. W is worth 13.8. This increases as more targets are effected by her CC.

But this is also on CD.

And it's only so high because Q costs so much. But it is still worth quite a bit even for W which is a flat 50 mana.

Samflash311/23/2014, 3:57:38 AM1 votes

So riot actually listened and nerfed the freelo witch?

Even I am surprised...

Havenscythe11/23/2014, 5:44:45 PM1 votes

Bump

Aurora Donn11/23/2014, 6:48:35 PM1 votes

Lissandra is already pretty powerful right now. While this might be a good thing to change I'm not sure that it would be wise.

7ha7guy77711/22/2014, 9:38:35 PM1 votes

they actually excluded from the patch notes

SexyTaylorSwift11/22/2014, 10:56:40 PM1 votes

I mean, she does have a free spell.

MEMEME67011/22/2014, 11:37:12 PM1 votes

Wow, look at all these rational and thought-provoking points, which make it seem like this guy really knows what he's talking about!

If you want change to happen, you need to post like you're over 15 years of age. If you want to whine, I would suggest following a LoL facebook group or something, as you generally get more traction there.

mike the pike11/23/2014, 12:08:22 AM1 votes

Lets see now, maybe its because lissandra is seen as either a poke champion (long range spells for some damage, which 18 seconds is kinda of enough time to keep up the poke) or the champion which uses her claw to jump in, then her ult and other ability to stun, during that time you escape and don't use spells or wait for passive cd ORR you die in the middle of enemies after the stuns and stuff stop. She is meant to be a duck and dodge keep enemies away champ and/or the jump in give allies lots of time to kill and die gloriously champion. Lissandra is meant to dive in and die to help her team land kills or not be distracted by enemy cc, why do you think the claw has such long range AND lets her teleport to it?