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Please tone down Fiora

Dragon Vajra··4 votes·1,154 views

You can't beat her as a tank, you can't beat her as range, you can't beat her as a mage, and you can't even beat her as a bruiser. She literally has no counterplay. She easily beats out tanks with her ult with little to no consequence. Only champs I've managed to beat her with were skarner and Irelia, barely, with Irelia ended up not being able to do much afterwards late game. Every time I go against her I feel as though I've already lost cause of how much she wins trades and by the time she hits 6 almost no way to 1v1 her which is know is what she is designed to be. With riposte can even go mid lane and stomp on apcarries and not even worry. A low cooldown dash that she can never miss as long as it is in range of the enemy champ also by lvl 13 its a permaslow that you can never get away from which makes it even worse. People say she isn't very good in team fights but that is bullshit. She can easily bypass most champs and go in straight for your carry or even go straight for your tank, even built as a tank she does a good bit of damage to tanks, and literally destroy his health within a second and then her heal comes in helping her team. Her passive happens way too often and even half the time the proc comes up right in front of her almost always will giving her a freebie that she can get just by using her dash within range of the proc and walking away. I know that you can walk away and come back to get the proc to another position but it doesn't matter. Why doesn't it matter, cause she has a slow that will help her to run up to that proc and then the next one will come in soon afterwards with no downtime no cooldown unlike Quinn's passive.

Suggestion would be to put a cooldown on her passive it is too convient for her to be able to have it always come up every second and besides she has an ult which gives her true damage. This will also allow some actual counter play at lvls 1-5.

Another suggestion is to take away her movement speed on her ult. Why does she get both a slowing debuff and movement speed buff it makes no sense.

40 Comments

Spice POWAH4 votes

Then don't duel her. that's kinda her thing.

MagicFlyingLlama4 votes

Fiora is a skill matchup for most champions. Look at how her kit works and you will probably do a lot better. I see way too many top laners blow their cooldowns on her parry and stand still while she chunks them for tons of true damage.

Martensitic3 votes

You can't beat her as a tank

Why do I win every single lane I play as Nasus vs. Fiora then?

Oh, right...because I know what I am doing.

Dragon Vajra2 votes

Your full of it your only lvl 16 trolling please stop and don't come back here till you know who you are talking to.

Martensitic2 votes

Oh so you don't even know what a smurf is?

Cute.

Oh, and I am fully aware who I'm talking to...a guy who has trouble dealing with one of the weakest toplaners in the game :D

https://champion.gg/champion/Fiora

Dragon Vajra1 votes

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Oh so you don't even know what a smurf is?

Cute.

Oh, and I am fully aware who I'm talking to...a guy who has trouble dealing with one of the weakest toplaners in the game :D

https://champion.gg/champion/Fiora

Weakest would be yi or shyvana you obviously don't know what your talking about . Come back when you do.

Brain Errör 4043 votes

You just called Yi and Shyvana top laners... then you insult someone telling them they don't know what they're talking about? Lmfao. Troll is obvious.

Dragon Vajra2 votes

Yes your the obvious troll if you think shyvana can't go top lane, either that or you haven't played long enough to know.

Martensitic1 votes

Insulting veeryone who has obviously more clue about the game than you do, will get you nowhere, sunshine :D

Dragon Vajra1 votes

Well if they gave actual feedback instead of a jackass answer like you just did now and before I wouldn't have to tell you to fuck off with your bullshit kid cause I don't take shit, not from you or anyone else.

Martensitic3 votes

cause I don't take shit, not from you or anyone else.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/66/6619e1982b5f9a02d25897e8d415d5a784a754330a6054280ef3311416397d91.jpg

Apparently you do, because its absolutely hillarious to see your reaction ;-)

Also, you can tell me to stop as much as you want, I am not taking orders from ragers online ^^

Dragon Vajra1 votes

Oh snap you can use meme's, aren't you cute taking your little ole time putting that up for little ole me, why thanks. Also you don't seem to know what I mean by I don't take shit. Meaning I'm not going to let it slide with your snide comments and your insults cause again you want to be an ass and start shit and I'm going to be the one that finishes. So now it's your turn come up with something I haven't heard or seen, at least try to impress me.

Martensitic2 votes

Meaning I'm not going to let it slide with your snide comments and your insults cause again you want to be an ass and start shit and I'm going to be the one that finishes.

Why? Because at some point mature people like me will go to work, laugh about you and earn a ton of money while you continue to publicly display yourself as a clueless rager collecting downvotes?

But at least you will have the "last word", which at that point in the discussion means less than nothing, but will of course create the illusion in your little ego, that you somehow "won" ^^

so now it's your turn come up with something I haven't heard or seen, at least try to impress me.

Sorry, I know facebook taught you that the world is about impressing others, but really, the only thing I have to do here, is amuse myself, and that is not dependent on you being impressed.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Dragon Vajra1 votes

Mature like you? Have you even read any of your own comments you sad conceited fellow. Even point out small things like "oh you got 14 downvotes". Posting pictures of your memes to try and down me any way you can. You got a job? Guess what I do too and not only that got a degree in EET going for my masters next year after I get done going on my second deployment in the army while you live in your pretend world thinking your the only adult, if you are that is...

I couldn't care less wheter or not someone who plays Shyvana toplane takes me serious :D

Take me serious enough to keep replying back. Well have a good night and keep on pretending like you are somehow amused by a guy who calls you out on your shit. ^^

Martensitic1 votes

Have fun with your degree, I got mine years ago, so I guess I am even ahead in academia :-)

Take me serious enough to keep replying back.

that's called "amusing myself", sunshine :D

Dragon Vajra1 votes

You always full of bs cause I can smell it on you. You can keep lying about your degree and job all you want but it if it makes you feel happy.

Martensitic1 votes

Wow, an answer after 7 days. I got a fan :-)

Martensitic1 votes

So you also don't understand the difference between the words "weakest" and "one of the weakest".

This is getting better and better.

Dragon Vajra1 votes

I know the difference it's you that doesn't when you can compare 2 champs in team fights and solo laning and figure which one has the better chance you would know shyvana can't even compare or even yi for that matter. Got anything else cause I got all day.

Martensitic1 votes

Got anything else cause I got all day.

Lots, and please have all day for this, the more you write, the funnier this gets.

Also, what are you even trying to say? That Shyvana and Yi have great teamfight presence, after getting shot down in toplane by basically every single champion that is played on that position?

Come on, if you want to discuss game mechanics, at least try to stay serious ^^

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Dragon Vajra1 votes

Serious like you.... roflmao you can't be taken serious when you yourself don't even know what serious means. Seems your the one that doesn't even comprehend what the argument is over keep going troll, act like you know me cause I can assure you, you don't...

Martensitic1 votes

roflmao you can't be taken serious

I couldn't care less wheter or not someone who plays Shyvana toplane takes me serious :D

As to how seriously you are being taken by others...well, at the time I write this post, your thread is at 14 downvotes ^^

TenshouSNK1 votes

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I know the difference it's you that doesn't when you can compare 2 champs in team fights and solo laning and figure which one has the better chance you would know shyvana can't even compare or even yi for that matter. Got anything else cause I got all day.

yo go Quinn if your having trouble with Fiora. You will dominate her.

Brain Errör 4042 votes

Nasus is a juggernaut and he outright just outscales her. He does get beaten early, though.

Martensitic2 votes

Try playing Fiora against a SpiritSusan build Nasus, and say that again :D

55976771DEL23 votes

No. Fiora isn't in need to be tuned down. She is fine.

MuffledGarbage2 votes

I'm not a Fiora main BTW all this stuff can be seen by reading her kit in the shop fairly easily and you've had experience fighting her so you know at least ONE of these many strengths.

I am deciding to tell you her weaknesses to help you understand how to beat her

The strengths of Fiora:

Able to 1v1 very well -Has major opportunities for damage -Has a dash -Has a way to counter CC and slow -Has a way to deal a portion of max health as damage returned via health later after all 4 procs are used up -Can build tanky or damage depending on whether she's behind or ahead -Has an auto-attack reset

Weaknesses of Fiora -Opportunities for damage are very telegraphed -Range is fairly short even with the dash -The CC counter lasts very short and doesn't do much damage -The portion of max health damage can be avoided via running and via flashing over walls

  • Can only CC you if you use some CC on her
  • Has very low sustain unless she decides to build item 1055(which is very rare and leaves her useless until first Item or midgame) -Has cooldowns that are all similar in size until mid to lategame(where she builds CDR)

So basically I outline SOME of the toplaners you can play to beat Fiora Play someone with sustain and little CC likeDrMundo because of sustain Jayce thanks to poke Graves thanks to insane tankiness plus damage Irelia because you can out-sustain and out-farm her after building either item 3748 oritem 3074 depending on what you build first Jax beats anyone 1v1 when he gets his first few Items done with Quinn is a top-laner that is ranged and can poke Fiora down easily Gnar can kite Fiora to hell Olaf Out-sustains Fiora and only has 1 CC Sejuani can out-Tank and out-damage Fiora Vladimir Out-sustains Fiora and his CC can't be dealt with easily for Fiora Trundle Out-Sustains and out-Tanks Fiora during trades Tryndamere Can out-damage Fiora in trades as well as out-sustain her Shen Can out-tank and out-damage Fiora

Good luck my friend( you won't need it because now you know Fiora's weaknesses)

AcidTheWarlock2 votes

Play Pantheon.

Have fun with your free kills.

Just make sure to end by 30 minutes.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AstroFerrari 1 votes

Just play Darius or Jayce. Hell even play Renekton, or ask your jungler to camp you. Jayce shits on her.

Source: LVL 7 Fiora that quite vividly knows her strengths and weaknesses.

Dragon Vajra1 votes

Sorry no I don't play renekton and Jayce if I wanted to play them I would but to be able do deny farm and and never having to worry about who she is up against isn't right not to mention she is so braindead easy after playing a few games you realize how broken she is.

AstroFerrari 1 votes

You should try playing against Naut or Riven with CotC before you talk about champions being broken.

Astôlfo1 votes

Learn to play and stop crying.

Dragon Vajra2 votes

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Learn to play and stop crying.

I have learned and she needs to be nerfed so broken and so easy and you can go fuck off.

Astôlfo1 votes

Obviously not, if you still think that.

Lux HD1 votes

I do really well with Fiora when I play her (admittedly, I haven't played her much lately, but I used to play her almost exclusively.. this was of course after her rework, so it's relevant to the conversation).

My success in lane directly related to the amount of mistakes the enemy laner made and how many opportunities they gave me to force a fight. It's simply not a smart idea to try to duel a Fiora if you aren't sure you can outplay her. She is very punishing, that's sort of her thing.

That being said.. if the enemy forces a farm lane, there's really nothing I can do about it besides try to push and roam (unless they're just bad, in which case I can farm them easily). Relying on your lane opponent to be bad isn't an example of the strength of a champion though.

If she gets ahead, she's basically like a Zed just lurking around and deleting people before making a clean escape. If she goes even, she isn't a super threat in team fights so just force them and carry on. If she falls behind, she's so incredibly useless it's not even funny and can really only contribute by trying to split.

I don't think she's in a bad spot. There's certainly other champions that need to be deleted before her (cough yasuo cough).

Glitzeregenbogen1 votes

Just play Pantheon, you will make fiora dodge.

Waffletimewarp1 votes

Take Singed and tilt her so hard she quits

TenshouSNK1 votes

Lol

TenshouSNK1 votes

Kinda surprised no one said Quinn stomps fiora

The Sword Saint1 votes

Fiora has a handful of things she is good at and a lot of other things she is not.

She's a great duelist, she lanes well against most melee champions who go toplane, she can snowball if ahead, is a decent splitpusher, and she can bodyguard her carries from divers. Those are her pros, trying to challenge her directly in the places she is strong is not the most efficient strategy compared to abusing her weaknesses.

Her cons include weaknesses to ranged poke, contributing nothing in a siege, not being able to provide initiation or disengagement while eating up a spot where your team could be running a tank, having a difficult time getting her ult off in teamfights where the enemy has a lot of movement speed or cc, being a spell reliant melee glass cannon who burns through mana very quickly when committing to any fight or trade longer than a single q, requiring mechanical execution on a consistent basis to perform which adds unreliability to her play pattern (she could easily lose fights she has the kit and stats to win because of minor mechanical mistakes), and being shut down super hard in some very popular lane matchups like pantheon, kennen, and quin.

She has a small handful of situations where she is very strong, and a larger set of situations where she doesn't provide much use unless you choose to go out of your way to fight her on her own terms. So just don't do that and play to your own strengths and you should be fine.

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