Before you flame your jungler again

MoonShinee··14 votes·1,710 views

You didn't lose your lane because you didn't get ganks. You lost your lane because:

  1. Your opponent was better
  2. You didn't ward
  3. Your map awareness of knowing where their jg is or where he/she could be failed

Ganks are not a promise. Assume each game you wont get a gank

~JG Main

35 Comments

Marshbouy5 votes

this is entirely true but I must say that it's still the junglers job to apply equal map pressure on the map, so if the enemy jungler is camping the shit out of top then you should be translating that into bot, mid, dragon, and possibly enemy jungle pressure.

Dreadlocks4 votes

there is far more to it than just, if x is doing y, then z should too.. do u know how hard it is to apply pressure as a jungler when every lane is either losing or barley equal? it can be nearly impossible..

Marshbouy5 votes

I do know how hard it is, as i play jungle frequently. If every lane is losing hard then there is little you can do, but if the enemy jungler is applying considerably more map pressure than you are, it is undeniable that you failed as a jungler.

MoonShinee1 votes

You are so right, it's just extremely irritating playing vs a jg who is and yes I admitting it better than you. I just need laners to understand I can't keep up with their jg when they are not protecting themselves and leaving themselves open as a all you can eat buffet and then wondering why I can't respond when their team is warding and acknowledging where I might be. Just my little venting session.

Dreadlocks1 votes

that's because if the enemy jungle is fed and ganking nonstop, ur team expects the same from ur instead of playing more passively till every1 catches up or they make a mistake

Kirius Dark1 votes

A lot of people dont understand that there's different types of junglers, some who gank A LOT, some who counter jungle, some who build for teamfights etc.

I see scrub teams get tilted a lot when they keep getting ganked and bitch at their jungler "all you do is farm", especially on Shyvana who isnt a ganker. If the enemy jungler keeps ganking they arent farming while sharing kill exp and gold with the laner. If your jg takes the enemy camps they'll get further ahead and can carry when since the enemy jg has nothing to do outside of ganks and be underlevelled.

It's almost always the laner's fault if they get ganked and give up a kill. If they didnt give a kill the enemy jg has invested a lot with no gain and will fall behind

Dreadlocks4 votes

doesn't change that people will flame u for their own failures. I could be 3 for 3 for ganks by lvl 6 and our team will be losing 3 to 9 and the other jungle hasn't even ganked yet, but I still get flamed. THAT is my point.

Incarceration1 votes

I play jungle very little, but when I do, I'm usually in the same situation as: one lane is getting camped, I output pressure in the other.

The only thing that is frustrating is that the lane getting camped tilts so hard, they leave the game even though they are at fault.

For example, I played Elise, top was getting camped, I shut down their bot lane by getting two towers and killing them over and over. However, Nasus self tilts because he tries to 1 vs 2 the Fiora and Ivern, and later on, 1 vs 1 the Fiora who had 10+ kills.

Based on how I play in the jungle, I find that I do deserve to get blamed to a degree since I don't use my lead, and lead the laners up to the lane which is getting camped, and put pressure there.

Dreadlocks3 votes

You know what i hate the most though?

"Lee Sin has ganked mid 3x, you 0, come f**king gank mid for once jesus you are worthless"

The idea that i'm suppose to mirror the other junglers quantity of ganks is honestly the most annoying thing.

YumScrumptious961 votes

Or "fking gank top they are camping me" when the enemy laner is 3+ kills and our top has none. Like the fuck? No reason to hand over a double and let them snowball even more.

Dreadlocks1 votes

and more often than not that enemy laner is Darius

YumScrumptious961 votes

Or worse, Illaoi

Incarceration2 votes

I don't know man, I'm not a great jungler either, but when I ask my jungler for a gank onto the Syndra with 1/4 of her health, and I'm Orianna with my ultimate up, but they just keep on farming in their jungle, then I do get pissed off.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

no, I'm pretty sure when I get ganked and tower dived 5 times by the enemy team, and when I practically beg my jg for ganks, and they don't even respond, it's their fault

ForFoxSakes5 votes

You dont dictate when your jungler ganks. They arent your on call bitch. People will tower dive and converge on your lane because you didnt prepare for it or are weak and easy. No one is going to risk a 3 man roam to a strong lane to die 1v3 and feed them more. If they're 5 man diving then just leave that tower while the other lanes can hard shove

Junglers don't gank losing lanes to help you "catch up" because at one point you were even but your skills were subpar which left you at a disadvantage, so even if they did gank for you just to get back to even you dont do anything with it. Coming to gank a losing lane is at risk of the jungler dying too which will further feed that enemy winning lane

Junglers gank winning lanes to help them snowball even harder. So many people rage and bitch at the jungler refusing to acknowledge this

Nothing dumber than 3 mins into the game before half the first clear is done and a lane is spam pinging help expecting you to come gank a full HP enemy while theyre sitting under tower because they decided to go for a bad trade

You're exactly the type of player this PSA was intended for

VivaLaKitten1 votes

Fox, can I call you that? c: I'm going to be nice about this since you clearly aren't how exactly is me constantly being pushed back and being ganked, with no assistance whatsoever, then being tower dived and losing simply because I got poked once. . . in any way . . .my fault? c: of course . . . I'll wait for my jg to gank . . . oh wait they never, did, I ask them to gank, they never respond just go ahead and defend jungle, because jungle is always in the right, simply because I don't know how to lane against my opponent, the true way to lane against constant ganks and tower dives, is to leave lane, . . .right?

Kirius Dark1 votes

Stop giving up kills when they gank then. use deep wards, ward the enemy jg to see which side he's on. ENemy jg ganks and you dont give up a kill then he's just wasted a lot of time for nothing. If they can dive you under tower and not be at risk of dying from the tower, then yes you leave the tower completely. Why stay and die then lose tower on top when you can just give up tower?

If they dive and you can kill them with tower assist (sometimes while also getting killed in return) then that's fine, again, nothing to do w the jungler doing his job. Most of the time dying for a kill isn't worth it and if they decide they want to do it that's on them since the tower kept you somewhat even

It's your decision making that needs work. you think you're being "nice" but you're wrong and blaming the wrong person

VivaLaKitten1 votes

c: huh? I'm sorry I failed to pay attention fully after I realized you somehow didn't read my post as there is jack all you can do under said circumstances I cannot, not as in it is humanly impossible, stay alive under constant ganks and tower dives even when I'm at full health I'm sorry you expect more of me, it just shows how much you want to blame me for not being a professional 2 v 1 player who can spam his lvl 7 mastery while playing chess with the ghost of Gandhi

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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You dont dictate when your jungler ganks. They arent your on call bitch. People will tower dive and converge on your lane because you didnt prepare for it or are weak and easy. No one is going to risk a 3 man roam to a strong lane to die 1v3 and feed them more. If they're 5 man diving then just leave that tower while the other lanes can hard shove

Junglers don't gank losing lanes to help you "catch up" because at one point you were even but your skills were subpar which left you at a disadvantage, so even if they did gank for you just to get back to even you dont do anything with it. Coming to gank a losing lane is at risk of the jungler dying too which will further feed that enemy winning lane

Junglers gank winning lanes to help them snowball even harder. So many people rage and bitch at the jungler refusing to acknowledge this

Nothing dumber than 3 mins into the game before half the first clear is done and a lane is spam pinging help expecting you to come gank a full HP enemy while theyre sitting under tower because they decided to go for a bad trade

You're exactly the type of player this PSA was intended for

Well depends whether or not the lane needs help diving. If not just get them ahead and use your own lead to kill/punish the other jungler if you can, extending your lead further, then go help your teammates.

Take the kills and oneshot them if you can, helps if they didn't feed or if they at least have some CC to bring to the fight.

VivaLaKitten1 votes

only help them if theyre useful? got it! leave the weak to die and burn

grug1 votes

or you faced Free Win also known as Lee sin

huehuehu

but srsly Lee Sin early ganks are insane, its top notch like pantheon and elise.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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or you faced Free Win also known as Lee sin

huehuehu

but srsly Lee Sin early ganks are insane, its top notch like pantheon and elise.

Lee + Yas = counterplay, yes, did you say counterplay? hah no

Randomonium1 votes

I don't get pissed off when my jungler doesn't gank my lane, even when I'm getting camped. Hell, if my lane opponent is fed I will actively tell my jungler to avoid my lane at all costs so we don't wind up giving him a double kill. I get pissed off when my jungler has absolutely zero map pressure anywhere. For example, If the enemy jungler tower dives top then you should be invading his bot side jungle (to ward it or to steal camps) or setting up a gank bot or setting up to take dragon. That's all I want from my jungler: pressure. Because if my jungler is pressuring the rest of the map then I know that even if I'm getting camped we still have a good chance to win.

It tilts me off the face of the earth when I have a jungler who doesn't apply any pressure the whole game and whines about how bad his team is.

OMGSoAnnoying1 votes

I'd agree with that. I jg, and usually if I see my opponent in a lane, I will look either to counter jungle, counter his gank (if I am close enough and healthy enough to do so), or I will go take an objective in the meantime. If I see another lane is a gank candidate, I'll do that also.

It's especially fun when they're bot... you gank top, get a kill, the tower, and get your Tryndamere his Rift Herald on top of it. At that point I just leave him alone and work the rest of the map.

I will say this, however: anyone's best bet early that isn't a lane bully is to work the minion wave back towards their own tower and just freeze the wave. It doesn't matter what lane you are. If your opponent wants to cs, they will need to leave themselves open to be ganked. Even if they ward, there's more than one way to get around to gank position no matter who your jg is playing. It also protects you from most normal ganks.

Of course, there's still the Olympic 5-man botlane clown fiesta tower dive gank, but that's got more tilt built into that topic than a whole football field of pinball machines.

Randomonium2 votes

That's my go to move if I'm playing a tank top lane. I just let the dummies push and freeze the wave right before my tower. I also usually tell my jungler to just focus on getting mid and bot fed since I don't need kills to scale well, just farm and exp. And if my laner ever tries to leave lane I instantly hard push and try to deny him as much cs/exp as ppssible.

RavenMagus1 votes

Agreed.

~Mid main

(But it is nice if your jungler punishes someone who's playing really aggressively with no flash...)

WalkingInACircle1 votes

Nope, nuh-uh. Losing a 4v5 isn't a failure of the 4. Stop jacking off and gank. Even the best players die to ganks and any jungler worth anything knows the value of successful ganks is much higher than farming.

Kingnewgameplus1 votes

Don't forget

4: Losing matchup. Just because I lost lane doesn't necessarily mean I got outplayed or didn't ward, some matchups are just fucking impossible. I'm not saying you need to camp my lane if its a bad matchup but don't call me useless 20 minutes in because I'm playing a squishy mage into a yasuo and can't farm well against him.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

and then you have junglers who don't gank, don't put any pressure, are outfarmed by the enemy jungler who actually ganks and then proceed to think that they shouldn't be blamed for the game is going... sorry but if you as a jungler are not doing anything while the enemy jungler is camping my lane you are a terrible jungler!

Ada Wong1 votes

{quoted}

You didn't lose your lane because you didn't get ganks. You lost your lane because:

  1. Your opponent was better
  2. You didn't ward
  3. Your map awareness of knowing where their jg is or where he/she could be failed

Ganks are not a promise. Assume each game you wont get a gank

~JG Main

It is still your jungles fault when they take a "Fighter with no CC Jungle" but they knew your needed hard "CC" then they rage / bitch all game, as well as a support who didn't take any hard CC talking Sejuani here and do nothing but play as a fighter thinking 1v1 with a team that is already losing all in direct is going to win with no CC.

Lord Galvatron1 votes

I flame my jg because they die to their camps while the enemy jg sits in my warded river brush and denies me wave after wave. Then they have the gall to ramble about rotations and start spouting about how they were diamond season 6. We're still getting fallout from that abomination called dynamic que.

I can't consistently win lane if the game becomes a 4v5 for the first 20ish minutes of the game.

MoonShinee1 votes

A lot of great comments, so here's another question or topic I wanted to bring up. If you gank and your ganks consistently fail because they ward better or have flash and all your lanes are begging for ganks while you continuously get flamed for not ganking, when do you say enough is enough and farm? The game that brought this to me was vs a Shyv who pulled off 4 successful ganks in less than 10 mins, while I tried with "vi" yes VI of all people and failed on all lanes to get a kill. I did get flashes, which I think is a success, but no kills. So how do you explain to your team that you have ganked, you are so far behind because you spent your time trying to pressure and run up to lanes to attempt to help and now you are behind, WHILE the enemy jg is still reigning hell. In that case I think it was we had a early loss and struggle which basically led the snowball of the devil dragon. I mean the most frustrating part to me is not being able to help because you know you don't stand a chance anymore while taking the flaming that if I did X then Y wouldn't of happened blah blah.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Well, it's never okay to flame your jungler or anyone else.

That being said, if a jungler never ganks at all, especially if the lane is pushed to your tower, then I do think that's a failure on the jungler's part.

All things being even, some laners (especially mid-laners) are much, much better at pushing than others. The reason why the strategy of just constantly shoving your opponent under their tower (and then potentially roaming) isn't supposed to work is because the jungler is supposed to come and kill you if you try it. If you leave your mid-laner in that situation, pushed under their tower for the entire laning phase, then they won't be able to roam or make plays around the map, leaving your entire team in a weaker position. You are not required to gank that lane, but you are probably not playing optimally and hurting your team's chance of winning if you don't.

CosmarulMortii1 votes

When enemy Warwick top sits under your tower for the last 10 minutes and Diana jg is still farming, something is wrong.

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