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Gangplank no longer has an identity. Riot refuses to buff or change him.

BIazer··12 votes·5,150 views

In season 7, GP was known for his amazing late game, but his early game was complete dogshit and only the best players were able to get through and utilize barrels in mid-late game (WHICH TOOK SKILL, NOT JUST SPAMMING Q) to win their games and get good winrates. In season 8, GP was changed from a late game carry to a midgame fighter because of things like Grasp and Klepto providing so much gold/pressure and powerspikes for GP, building full damage wasn't required to carry as you could soar through the laning phase and be ahead of your laner already. Then the crit changes hit, not affecting GP that much because Grasp and Klepto are still strong against top laners because there is little armor and resolve has been nerfed so many times. Come preseason 9, armor runes are added, chyrsralis is removed and bounties based on CS are added. Here we have a champion who is no longer a mid game fighter like riot tried balacning him around because his Grasp poke means nothing and Klepto isn't as effective. He is no longer a late game carry because Crit itemization is horrendous and his ult without TLD is pretty useless late game besides the slow. I want riot to take a good look at GP and either pick one of these identites because right now GP feels like garbage to play. It's really frustrating to play him right now.

18 Comments

vgamedude7 votes

Hes awful indeed. Why bother playing a champ that has to use something like the barrels to hit as hard as someone can with an unmissable ranged auto?

He requires like three times the concentration and skill of most other champions and has lesser rewards.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

I maintain that the barrels are one of the biggest mistakes that Riot has ever made.

I do not mean that as a personal attack. Whoever came up with the idea is very creative, and it was a cool idea. But it's not working out in the long run. GP needs a different way to succeed in the game.

BIazer2 votes

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I maintain that the barrels are one of the biggest mistakes that Riot has ever made.

I do not mean that as a personal attack. Whoever came up with the idea is very creative, and it was a cool idea. But it's not working out in the long run. GP needs a different way to succeed in the game.

The problem isn't barrels, it's riot not paying attention to GP when they make changes to crit or runes relating to top. GP's kit is fine. If anything, his ult is why people hate him.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

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"Fighter" lol.

BIazer4 votes

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"Fighter" lol.

Statikk shiv is awful and that build is not very good. He takes Grasp and stacks health along with steraks, and skirmshes in the mid game. His late game is not very good rn.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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Statikk shiv is awful and that build is not very good. He takes Grasp and stacks health along with steraks, and skirmshes in the mid game. His late game is not very good rn.

Replaced it with Phantom Dancer.

I don't seem to be up to date with the current Gangplank builds. I just recall him building Shiv at some point.

My point still stands. He's no Fighter with these items, he's a pseudo-marksman.

BIazer1 votes

He plays like a fighter though. and Gp deosn't do consistent damage at all.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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He plays like a fighter though.

He plays more like a ranged Assassin IMO.

and Gp deosn't do consistent damage at all.

His Q has a short cooldown, and both his passive and his ultimate is a damage over time effect.

BIazer5 votes

He does not one shot people since S7 since crit now sucks and lethality runes don't exist.

AstroFerrari 2 votes

Lmao this build is trash do you even play GP?

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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Lmao this build is trash do you even play GP?

You got a better build?

I got these items off of https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Gangplank

AstroFerrari 1 votes

I'd argue has a 300k+ GP main you should be going youmuus 2nd or 3rd item 98% of the time. And you should almost never take Shiv. item 3078 item 3142 item 3095 item 3046 item 3036 When ahead or against teams with heavy armor item 3078 item 3142 item 3053 item 3095 item 3026 vs. heavy burst and teams able to dive you

Sewer Side2 votes

His Barrels basically 1 shotting people wasn’t any more skillful than fishing for hooks on Blitz/Thresh mid to late game.

Anybody with more than 2 games on him was easily able to achieve that.

Also “being bad early, oppressive late” isn’t an identity. Certainly not one to be making a thread over since 1/3 of the champ pool shares that trait. Moreover, you’re complaining that he’s taking Klepto to accelerate his transition is literally old GP all over again.

His identity is being a slippery, plundering pirate.

BIazer1 votes

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His Barrels basically 1 shotting people wasn’t any more skillful than fishing for hooks on Blitz/Thresh mid to late game.

Anybody with more than 2 games on him was easily able to achieve that.

Also “being bad early, oppressive late” isn’t an identity. Certainly not one to be making a thread over since 1/3 of the champ pool shares that trait. Moreover, you’re complaining that he’s taking Klepto to accelerate his transition is literally old GP all over again.

His identity is being a slippery, plundering pirate.

You underestimate the skill it takes to hit barrels in late game, especially against a competent ADC. No, not anyone with 2 games could do it back then except for maybe S6 when he was fucking broken as hell. Yes it is an identity, plenty of champs are know for their weak earlys, but great late games. GP follows that same guideline but his playsyle is completely different to someone like Nasus. Being a mess and not being able to brawl or do big damage late isn't a good identity at all, it's called frustration.

FireDrizzle1 votes

I dont thnik he's weak now, he was just op season 8.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nxusrvRK-still-baffles-me-why-riot-allows-gangplank-sejuani-to-be-in-this-state

"Gangplank needed the nerfs", they said.

BIazer3 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nxusrvRK-still-baffles-me-why-riot-allows-gangplank-sejuani-to-be-in-this-state

"Gangplank needed the nerfs", they said.

I understand taking away the 5 barrels mechanic but the Q mana cost was kinda overkill since it was klepto and grasp's fault of why GP was broken at that time.

Patrozzo1 votes

The problem is the oranges.... it scale with ap items.. AP ITEMS! it's no sense at lv 18 with orange u recharge only 190 hp....

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