Camille

FrozenAngels·Mar 5, 2018·2 votes·487 views

Why is camilles kit sooooo overloaded?

12 Comments

Odysseus263Mar 5, 20183 votes

it takes skill to play her. Knowing how to utilize her and her Q resets takes time to learn to use at the correct moment. If you play her incorrectly, without the perfection she requires, you will lose quite a few match ups. hopefully that explains why i think she is so overloaded :P

nelogisMar 5, 20181 votes

This makes 0 sense

Odysseus263Mar 5, 20181 votes

english is not my first language. I try the best i can but i still have much imperfection. Camille takes skill. Her q is auto reset, if she doesn't nail them percisely she is vulnerable while on CD. She can't chunk someone without waiting for her Q reset (her true damage).

nelogisMar 5, 20182 votes

It still doesn't make any sense, why does a high skillcap justify an overloaded kit?

Katarina is hard to play but her kit isn't overloaded GP is hard to play but his kit isn't overloaded Draven is hard to play but his kit isn't overloaded

Overloaded means that the champion has too much stuff stuffed into abilities.

Take Camille Q for example:

2 Auto attack resets Bonus Movementspeed Bonus damage True damage

That's a lot of things stuffed into an ability

Her W:

AOE damage AOE slow self heal

Her E:

Huge range gapcloser Can go over walls Stuns if it connects

Her R:

Becomes untargetable for a short time Gains bonus damage to the ulted target Target can't get away Enemies get knocked back Allies can go into the circle and don't get knocked back

Now compare all of this to like Wukong

Q: 1 auto attack reset Bonus damage Bonus range

W can't be compared that well

E: Small gapcloser AOE damage

R: Knocks enemies up AOE damage Bonus movementspeed

You see like how he has less unnecessary bonus stuff?

Like why does Camille W heal in the first place? She doesn't need it she has a shield on her passive and the R that let's her survive in teamfights. Why does the Q have 2 auto attack resets that make it nigh impossible to early trade with her as a melee.

It's just so much stuff that is loaded into her kit. Same thing with Yasuo, this guy has like 3 passives.

It's not that she is OP (well right now she is too strong yeah) but it's just that she is overloaded.

TegashMar 5, 20181 votes

Kat, GP and Draven are all hard to play not because of having a lot of tricks to their abilities, they have a minigame instead. Draven catches axes, GP has his barrels and minions minigame, and Kat has her knife placement.

By contrast many toplaners and have kits similarly loaded or even MORE overloaded than hers.

Trundle: P - Heal when things die, based on those things' max health values Q - Slow by 50% during attack, steal flat AD (reduce enemy's increase yours), autoattack reset W - Gain movespeed, gain attack speed, double healing from all sources, but only get all of this while inside the circle E - Create impassable terrain that knocks up and slows in an aoe R - Steal up to 30% of enemy's armor and mr stats, steal 20% health initially and then a further 10% over 8 seconds

Irelia: P - Get reduced disable times based on how outnumbered you are (3 more enemies than allies = 35% tenacity) Q - Dash to an enemy, autoattack reset, reset cooldown if it kills W - Passive healing on auto, true damage on activation E - If you have more health than enemy, slow them for 2.5 seconds. if you have less or equal health, stun them for 2.5 seconds. R - Throw a sword. Heal based on how many things it hits. Can cast 4 times before going on cd

Riven: P - Casting spells lets you deal extra damage on autos, stacking up to three times Q - Slap somebody. Can be cast three times before going on cooldown. Third slap knocks them up W - Stun in a tiny area. E - Dash and get a shield based on how much damage you've built. R - Get extra damage temporarily and get a ranged cone attack that deals execute damage.

There are plenty more examples and I could go on but I think i've made my point. Cam is a little overloaded sure but there are plenty of other champs who equal or outmatch her in overstuffed kits.

Odysseus263Mar 5, 20181 votes

Ah okay. Sorry for confusion i get what you said, don't worry. I agree she has too much in her kit. It's like darius with her kit. ALL of her abilities have a passive and then that passive has a passive. I agree. It's just too much for one champion.

nelogisMar 5, 20181 votes

You are overdescribing things....

Trundle:

P - Heals on unit kills It's just a heal nothing else

Q: 1 Auto reset Slow Bonus damage AD steal

W: Bonus movementspeed (only in circle) Bonus attack speed (only in circle) Bonus heal power on self (only in circle)

E: AOE slow small knockup

R: HP drain Armor / MR steal

That's Trundle, only thing coming close to Camille is his Q, if it had 2 auto resets it would be roughly the same. Imagine Trundle E being: He slides on an ice scateboard in a range of 1000 units and stuns the first guy he connects with (can go over walls). Like.... dude I would love to have that instead of this stupid pillar.

Irelia

P: Bonus tenacity

Q: Middle range gapcloser Auto reset? Does it actually? never knew that CD reset on unit kill with this ability only

W: healing on autos Bonus damage True damage

E: Slow OR stun

R: AOE damage heal 4 casts

That's Irelia.

Notice how much less they have?

The kits coming close to Camille are Darius and Yasuo (off the top of my head) Nasus is kinda overloaded too with all the little passive they have been adding to him.

It's just too much like, what is Camilles weakness?

She has sustain and semi poke She has true damage to counter tanks She has hard engage and disengage to counter ranged or ganks She can follow up or initiate a gank perfectly She can cut off and assassinate squishies She can force a teamfight She can ult someone to let her team disengage a fight

It's just like... what CAN'T she do?

Edit: Ori / Syndra are hard to play effectively, either kit is not overloaded either (other than maybe Syndra Passive I guess)

VekknaMar 5, 20181 votes

You forgot the part where Wukong gets free resists, free armor shred, and unstoppable ult, and an invisibility that leaves behind a clone to bait cooldowns.

Camille giving you trouble? Try hitting QEW to auto-win trades with zero counterplay. She ults, you ult....collect free gold.

nelogisMar 5, 20181 votes

I didnt include either passive (cam and wukong)

I forgot the armor shred on Q yes

Ult isn't unstoppable, you can just Trist ult his ass away, the effect is unstoppable but he isn't

W is just stealth (you can basically ignore it's damage) It doesn't bait any cooldowns since it's obvious as fuck that you used W because it resets wukongs animation

I never said that Wukong has trouble against Camille, I just said that Camilles kit is overloaded.

VekknaMar 5, 20181 votes

But what you're describing as "overloaded" are just tools to survive/execute her fairly extended damage pattern and expensive, rigid item requirements.

She's a bully for a few early levels, but she loses to almost everyone in 1v1s after level 6. She comes back online at Trinity but still loses a lot of 1v1s until she's at Trinity + Sterak's + Tiamat.

It just seems like an odd champ to complain about while Jax, Fiora, Yorick, Gnar, and Cho'gath are things that exist.

nelogisMar 5, 20181 votes

she has her whole passive dedicated to survive in a teamfight

You know what Darius gets? A situational heal... that's it

She gets a shield, an untargetable stance AND a heal... a bit more isn't it?

Illaoi has only a heal Trundle has only a heal and MR/Armor steal Olaf has a heal and cc immunity I guess Yorick has nothing Jax has a counterstrike Fiora has a heal + cc counter

Notice how everything is just 1 or 2 things and not 3?

You get trinity at around level 7-9 So she is basically online the whole time until then A Camille with Trinity has more than enough damage to 1 v 1 almost the entire champion roster (not kill, just able to 1 v 1)

Jax, Fiora, Yorick, Cho aren't things at all They are all balanced other than the Fiora and this stupid mandatory bramble vest you have to rush. Gnar is just cancer

I never said that other champions aren't a problem but there shouldn't be an excuse for Camille because something else is busted.... Like Sion for example