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Toxicity, why should or why shouldnt it be reportable?

XxRokasxX··1 votes·672 views

I apologize ahead of time if this isn't posted to the correct board

Hello all, I am XxRokasxX, I have been playing LoL since season 2 and have never received any sort of ban or punishment since a month or two ago when I received a 2 week ban out of the blue for apparent "toxicity" If I am such a toxic player why have I never been punished with so much as a chat ban for over 2 years and just randomly get stuck with a 2 week ban? Then I got a 20 game chat restriction AND a 6 draft game ban from ranked about a week ago and I log on today and am greeted with a message stating my account was once again banned for 2 weeks.

I openly admit that yes I get frustrated sometimes, so does everyone especially when the game is meant to be competitive. But then again, there shouldn't be a reason for casual players to play ranked at all if they aren't serious about it. I want to climb the ladder and better my skill as a player, why should I have to deal with players who don't care about doing good or winning in RANKED. Then when I try to give suggestions to these players as to how we can win the game and how they should build against their lane opponent when they are struggling to win their lane they choose to not listen and feed some more, then when my patience runs out I am the guilty one?

Now, please don't start forming opinions yet I want you to make sure to see this from the perspective of all players involved including me.

Ok, so then what is my argument for why I shouldn't be repeatedly targeted for bans due to relatively minor offenses (Yes I would consider foul mouthing in a game that is rated T a minor offense)? It's simple, due to LoL ever growing popularity the Tribunal system has become a terrible thing for one reason and one reason only, it is run by the community itself. What I mean by this is that there are so many players who have access to voting on rulings that the people who you may have been toxic to due to whatever reason even if they originally started the conundrum due to their feeding or lack of team play are able to vote against YOU in a case involving them. Last time I checked that is a blatant conflict of interest and greatly biases the ruling.

Yes I can be an asshole once in a while, but more often than not I try to maintain a highly sportsmanlike attitude towards both my team and the enemy team yet for some reason when riot audits my account they decide to judge me based only on the couple of games in which I had a negative attitude versus the majority of games in which I maintained a positive attitude.

But there is one question I want to address most of all and that is why toxicity is a bannable offense in the first place? Is it that you are concerned about younger players getting offended? This game is not meant for young children, it is highly competitive and requires practice and dedication to get good at. Why should offensive language be an issue for a community of gamers who are expected to be at least 13 years old to play this game? It is not your fault as a business if some children decide to lie about their age during signup and then proceed to get offended by community which is expected to be of a more mature age. You as a company have done what you are required to do as a company to discourage younger kids from playing this game and if they lie and sign up anyway then they are fully at fault for anything that ends up offending them.

In all honestly how many people who play this game are legitimately affected emotionally by someone telling them to "go fuck themselves" I'm not talking about "that's not nice to say" I'm talking how many of you get seriously effected on an emotional level when someone you don't know and will probably never meet in your life tells to some profanity over the internet? I guarantee that 80% of verbal abuse reports have nothing to do with the person who is filing the report actually being offended but instead just them reporting because they themselves are "salty" and want to get back at the person they are reporting for most likely roasting them in /all chat.

So if any of you have actually read through this, what are your opinions? Have you ever been banned or restricted from chat yourself and did you think you deserved it or not? My personal opinion is that toxicity should not be reportable, this community should be mature enough to handle some salt and not cry about it item 3070 Amumu item 3073

13 Comments

redniwediS2 votes

There are a whole bunch of moral questions and answers when it comes to the topic of people being assholes to one another, however there is really only one thing that matters in the end. ** This game belongs to Riot, and they make the rules.**

They could make not being toxic a reportable offense if they so choose. Their word is law according to that agreement every single player has signed. It is by their decree that toxicity is reportable and bannable. It is because they willed it to be so.

XxRokasxX1 votes

I totally agree with what you are saying. I just wanted to see what the communities thoughts on the matter is more so than the allmighty Riot Games. I respect whatever stance they take on this I just wanted to toss my opinion into this and see if maybe they will change their stance on it or if the community generally accepts toxicity as a reportable offense :D

Unlucky Number72 votes

That situation would make me frustrated but not enough to shout obscenities. Yeah we lost the game but not because of infighting, we lost because they had the better team. You yourself said that you were playing with bronze players. The lower tiered players, myself included, aren't skilled enough to follow all players in a team fight. They might not have seen Fiora ult in or, due to their poor judgement, thought that killing the inhibitor was more important then peeling fiora off of you.

Imagine your scenario but instead of on LoL it happened during a board game, or basketball. You see someone bashing their teammates for not being good enough and how would you feel? Are you guys really ok with verbally abusing someone who doesn't play well? That's like making fun of someone with autism.

Also not everyone has thick skin. Insults can hurt, and repeated abuse makes any games less fun. Imagine a fighting game where. due to a quirk of the sound design. the background music constantly blurts out racist remarks, yes you can get used to it, yes you can mute it, but it still takes away from your enjoyment of the game.

XxRokasxX1 votes

Maybe I'm just a terrible person but if there was a stage on a fighting game in which the game would repeatedly blurt out racial slurs I would play that stage exclusively lol and no I'm not racist, I will laugh at all insults equally including ones that are targeted towards me. And it's one thing for a team to mess up once or twice, but when it happens 5 times i na row and you try to tell them what to do to not make that happen again and they still choose not to listen is when it gets extremely frustrating. I respect your opinion though and I understand some people get offended easily.

Matthias91192 votes

It's simple, due to LoL ever growing popularity the Tribunal system has become a terrible thing for one reason and one reason only, it is run by the community itself.

Tribunal has been down for almost a year. Riot staffers personally banned you.

But there is one question I want to address most of all and that is why toxicity is a bannable offense in the first place?

The short answer is that most people don't like playing with jerks.

XxRokasxX1 votes

Good points, and I actually didn't know the tribunal was disbanded. I get people don't like playing with jerks but I think anyone who queues for ranked and doesn't take it seriously is a jerk as well.

Matthias91191 votes

Depends.

"lol idgaf so imma feed if i want to" is not okay -- in Ranked or not.

"Chill out, it's just a game" is not someone being a jerk. You can be competitive without being tightly wound and abusive. And even if someone plays "casually" in Ranked -- they'll be rated where their combined level of skill and effort pan out.

XxRokasxX1 votes

The thing is, playing casually in ranked drags down those who are playing ranked with the intent to improve and be competitive. You can talk about carrying yourself out of Bronze or Silver or whatever but in the end this is a team game and a team is only as strong as it's weakest link. You can carry 21/2 while your whole team feeds but even in Bronze the enemy team will know to blow everything to kill you first and then easily clean up the rest of your team.

Matthias91191 votes

You get matched up with people who do about as well as you do over time. That's how MMR works.

If some players are THAT bad (like they just intentionally feed every game and somehow avoid getting banned) they'll drop to the bottom of B5 and stay there.

BluePolarizer1 votes

  1. You need to realize you are not good. In fact you are bad. I am bad. Difference is, I admit it and seek to improve, meaning that I can get close to my skillcap imposed on me by my limited mechanics, rather than be held back by my attitude and being bad at strategy. It also means that I can recognize to improve by playing champs that cater to my strengths (farming, strategy and late game objective control, which I can do best as a jungler/top laner) rather than play flashy OP meta champs down in mid and bot that don't favor my strengths. That is why I am high gold and you are bronze. You keep trying to be "good" and "pro" instead of trying to be "not bronze".

  2. You are wasting time by looking at all-chat. There is literally NOTHING useful the enemy team can say to you, so why waste it? For someone that thinks of ranked as a serious matter, you sure are paying alot of attention to and wasting alot of time on things that actively reduce your chances of winning.

  3. Why are you frustrated in ranked? I had games where everyone instalocks their roles, I get forced into a role I don't main and it turns out I'm the only one not feeding. Oh well, shit happens. I'm more frustrated by ppl that think they're good, make shit calls or disregard jungler/top strategy calls, then get caught due to arrogance and lose the game, because its not taking a free loss (everyone takes free losses once in a while) but because they're throwing a winning game due to their arrogance, not even due to being all that bad.

XxRokasxX1 votes

I never said I was good or pro, I know full well that I am far from being good. But this is besides the point. You also assume that I am the reason for games being thrown due to my toxicity which is not true as I am never toxic until I can see that the game is already lost. You also assumed for some reason that I care about instalockers or that I for some reason only play flashy op or meta champions.

Let me give you an example of my situation: I was Corki ADC in ranked, I queued with my friend who was B5 so of course we got matched with people closer to B5 etc. now the game goes amazingly well, positive attitudes all around, I'm fed and flying around in my plane getting doubles and triples all around. Then lategame hits. We are taking towers and the enemy team has a Fiora. Now when a teamfight starts the Fiora just walks by my entire team to the backline and ults me, my team decides to either leave me for dead or to focus completely irrelevant enemies like the support. I die, we then lose teamfight because no one else on my team was able to kill fiora.

Now imagine that scenario happen 5 times in a row in the same game like it did for me. Now let me add another piece of info to the story. We had a Lissandra mid on my team, who if she had the mental capacity to, could simply ult Fiora or ult me if Fiora ults me, we could kill her in -2 seconds, and then move on to win since the enemy had no mid inhibitor. Instead she chooses to ult everyone BUT Fiora or me, hell she even ulted herself when she was full hp and not being focused.

These repeated errors on my entire teams part are what drove me to then vent my anger in the chat log. The team wasn't listening to calls, we literally had the game in the bag and we ended up losing because of my other teammates. This irritates me, heck it angers me. So I begin to vent in chat. I wouldnt have to vent in chat if I could at least see my team doing something to help us win.

I'm not even exaggerating when I say that I had 20+ kills and 5 deaths in this game before we lost all those fights.

And I am not even joking that one of those fights my entire team blindly focused inhibitor while Fiora literally walked past everyone on my team, ulted me, and then what did my team do? They actually pushed even further away from me instead of coming to my aid.

You tell me if that isn't something that makes you angry?

BluePolarizer2 votes

k, I had games where I'm mid and 1-0 while the rest of the team is 0-10.

I had games where I lost as 8-1-2 Hecarim because that 1 was in the final ace of my team.

I've had games where at minute 3, top lane was calling "its gg. we lost. ff 20”

I've had games where the entire enemy team is plat 4-5 and my team is all gold 1-2's.

You are expecting WAY too much from bronze 5. I've had games where my top is ahead, spams dance in front of enemy team to BM and then gets caught by a thresh hook or Annie stun and gets bursted down in 2 seconds, losing us the game. This is high gold/low plat. What do you really think happens in b5?

EVERYONE gets frustrated. I just don't waste my time typing it in chat.

XxRokasxX1 votes

See I'm starting to learn that as time goes on. Talking shit isn't worth a chat restriction, let alone a 2 week ban. This post was meant to gouge how the community as a whole looks upon toxicity and I gotta say I'm surprised with the chill bunch of people who decided to hit up the comments here.

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