Unpopular Opinion: Ryze is not overpowered

Exdeus·12/3/2019, 5:22:47 PM·4 votes·2,461 views

Now before you read this, i do not play ryze ever. However, I do lane against him every other game. He is so easy to counterplay. Just dont stand next to the wave, and play a champ that outranges him, he then becomes utterly useless. Also, i would rather see this attention towards other champs like Ekko , Heimerdinger , or Vladimir . But ya know, riot just gonna insta gib ryze because hes a champion for one patch. When these champs have been terrorizing solo queue for ages. Honorable Mentions: Syndra Rumble Katarina Yasuo

62 Comments

BBKong12/3/2019, 5:30:52 PM11 votes

"just play a champ that outranges him" isn't counterplay.

Hayaishi212/3/2019, 5:33:29 PM5 votes

Yeah i gotta play another mage against him. Counterpicking isn't counterplay.

Ahri Baka12/3/2019, 5:29:01 PM3 votes

He is op , including all the champions u mentioned except Rumble , actually Ryze is the most overpowered between them

Zed genius12/3/2019, 8:48:25 PM1 votes

and play a champ that outranges him

Ah yes. I always wanted to pull out my Xerath top lane.

HommeGoujon12/3/2019, 9:39:58 PM1 votes

I thought counterplay was used for "in-game" situations, like when you're actually playing. Not at champ selection.

Ex: I was first pick and picked a melee champion, the enemy got Ryze and he's bullying me, what's the counterplay? You: "don't stand next to your wave and pick a ranged champion".

Schenix12/3/2019, 11:02:27 PM1 votes

He's unfun to lane into, difficult to match in split pushing later, and retains teamfight potential all at the same time while simultaneously being able to adapt his build without sacrificing anything significant, and flex roles.

Also, no, outranging him is neither counterplay nor is it accurate.That is an attempt at counterpicking, and Ryze's power does not solely lie in harassing the laner. His kit gives him massive control over waves, which a smart player exploits. Which therein lies an issue.

He is a champion that both needs extensive macro skills, and also needs solid micro and mechanics to pilot. Therefore there will always remain a huge disparity in his mains depending on elo, even if everyone who plays him by elo isn't efficient with him. It's also not really a champion people can pick up and perform on consistently. I play against Ryze on here into Gold and they run around spamming spells into the wave or trying to harass. I play into Ryze on Diamond and they still do that, but when they start actually managing the wave instead of focusing on mindless harass, it's going to turn into an annoying game.

Sometimes when you hand players too much power, they don't know what to do. This is also the case for Yasuo, Akali, Irelia, etc. Too much to manage, but the few players that continue learning it will be a menace.

Illabethe12/3/2019, 5:52:24 PM1 votes

You haven't met him with Conquerer yet. Self heals for 17% damage done in rapid succession while dealing 70-80% max HP damage per hit. Takes 3 champs, 1 grievous wounds, and 2 Flashes just to kill him because a lot of his spam is on target clicking, not skill shots.

BeatzBoyFTW12/3/2019, 6:08:11 PM1 votes

Just dont stand next to the wave, and play a champ that outranges him, he then becomes utterly useless.

This is the poorest argument ever made. Maybe it'll work for someone at very low elo, but at other tiers, this is literally nothing. As others have said, this is not an example of counterplay.

Ryze is exceptionally strong for his machine-gun playstyle, and especially being an early lane abuser by spamming EQ whenever the opponent goes near his own minions (there's just never a point where you'll be able to not stand near them during the whole laning phase). In the mid-late game, he'll get to scale hard & has good map control with his ult.