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"Dear League of Legends community..."

Kristoph Gavin··46 votes·14,628 views

Before anybody starts typing out hate comments about how I am wrong, about how my opinion doesn't matter because I am not Challenger smurf on three accounts, I ask of you to read this post in full. This is not a professional opinion of a high-ranking player, this is an opinion of a person who enjoys this game to its fullest, despite its flaws...

"Dear League of Legends community, first I want to thank you all. You are the reason this game keeps rolling after almost 10 years of non-beta uptime. You play this game, you come back to the game after a hiatus, you invite new people to this game and overall this game only exists because of people like you who truly enjoy it. Also a thanks to the team of Riot Games, you keep the game fresh. You introduce some new changes, revert to some old changes, you bring in new items, remove old items, rework champions, revert champions, everything to deliver us a new experience everytime we open the client to start a game every day.

With that said, none of us are above flaws. And I am here today to address these flaws. I do not mean to be harmful about any of us, all of us, players or developers, but I feel like there are some things that need to be said.

One of the things that annoy me the most is the unbalance when it comes to the report system. People used to be rather chill when they played the game some odd 5 years back. They could take honest criticism and were rather understanding. The people who were actually a negative influence to the community got swiftly reported and swiftly kicked out of our LoL apartment so we who were the better behaving part of the community could continue coexisting. Nowadays it's a bit more difficult. People aren't honest with their honorations anymore and only use those to get the sweet rewards at the end of every honor level. Reporting has also become rather excessive to the point of where people report someone on the enemy team who typed in "ez" at the end of a game they won while at the same time report those on their own team who only wished to provide honest criticism and offer improvement because they were too much getting in the way of their own playstyle and felt insulted. Now, I do not know what the average age of the LoL community is, how much it changed compared to the past, but all I personally ask for is that people start honoring more honestly, that people stop reporting as much because they felt hurt by someone pointing out to them their own mistakes.

My second topic of concern, while I am not at the negative behavior of the community overall, is the issue with both this board and the work of Riot Games.

To the people using this board, while it may seem hypocritical of me at first to make this claim, it appears to me that you use this place less to offer constructive comments to improve the game in it's overall state and rather take it as your personal therapy session to complain loudly about certain aspects of the game you personally find to be either unhealthy to the game or just something you personally can't stand. And while there are certain topics, like the current Damage Meta we find ourselves in, which are most certainly topics to discuss over, especially when someone brings in the topic of the old Tank Meta in comparison, this should be taken more as a place to discuss problematic aspects of the game for Riot Games and other players to see and give constructive input on. This shouldn't be a place where you loudly shout our your own opinion on something in hopes of finding other people who share your sentiment in order to start a witch hunt in an attempt to force Riot to change the game according to your designs.

To Riot Games, I wish you were more responsive, to more than just the pro player scene. From what I gather, most of the time you take your balance designs from statistics. You look at statistics of which champion is popular, which one is not and look at stats like "average damage" or "damage healed/mitigated" to adjust the champions to the meta to keep it healthy. And I am not going to say that that is the wrong approach. However, I wish of you to take the opinions of the community as a whole into consideration when designing new patches. As you can clearly tell, people are right now rather fed up over the Damage Meta. And while I am not going to offer the idea to just go back to the Tank Meta where every game was G2 vs Origen and would last for 70+ minutes, many people think that this meta of ending the game on 22 minutes because one team simply had more damage than the other because the other team chose to pick a tank is not good either. I like the idea of taking the game to an overall more flashy, explosive and faster approach. But in your typical fashion you went overboard with it. And as deep as we are into this meta right now, a few champion or item nerfs wouldn't solve it. I can't offer any direct ways of how to fix this but maybe you should think about how long you want to hear the people cry at your front door because of this.

Now, there is one last point to make. The one everybody knows, everybody thinks they are not part of and the point everybody thinks they are right in their way to do. People, please don't be as toxic as you are right now. I know it is a bit presumptuous to declare that everybody is part of the "MOBA communities are toxic" meme but I dare say that there are very few individuals who are not, at least once, falling into this mindset. I myself am somebody who tends to get themselves into the game a bit too much and when several unfortunate circumstances happen at once, I just can't help to get a bit "toxic" or "salty" too and that is fine, that is human behavior, to get frustrated over things we have no influence over. However, there is no need to vent this feeling out on your teammates, or the opponents. There is no logical reason to start insulting people, in which ever language, or to wish upon them very unfortunate circumstances in real life. There is always an alternative. Get a pillow to shout into when something like that happens. Get something you can punch to let it out, there is just no need to be angry at the other people in the game. And 80% of the time, it was your own fault. Lack of vision, bad positioning, missed skillshots, there is a multitude of reasons why something went wrong that you could have prevented. And instead of blaming your teammates or insulting your opponents, just let it out outside the game and reflect on what happened. I just want this game to be as enjoyable as it used to be and even if the people stay like this, I will continue to play this game because, at the end of the day, I am not playing this game for the community behind it, I play it for the game itself and the fun it brings.

I am not sure what I hope to achieve with this little statement. I suppose I just want to write a little letter to everyone who is interested enough to read this to think a bit about how the game is right now and what we all can do to improve on it. I'm sure there will be many people who will downvote this simply because. There will also be people who will ridicule me for wasting my time writing something of this length. I'm not sure anybody will agree with what I am saying here, I just hope you'll take some time out of your day, read this, think about it, and tell me what you think. Whether you are an active member of the Boards, just a stray gamer like me who just wanted to write something here or a Riot employee who got bored enough to sit through this, I just wanna say thanks, for reading this, and for letting your thoughts about it stick as a comment down below. Hope you have a nice day.[sg-ahri-2]

23 Comments

SUPERSATANA19 votes

I don't agree with all you said but the board should take note: THAT'S how you express an opinion. Not "OMG IS ALL SHIT KYS RIOT", not "I KNOW BETTER THAN ALL OF RIOT COMBINED, YOU ARE WELCOME1!11", not like a whiny 12 kid with giant ego problems.

doiminat0r360014 votes

Too bad that's all that gets upvotes around here anymore.

I swear, people need to stop using the downvotes to smother opinions they don't like. It was never intended to be that way on any platform. Reddit, Stack Overflow, Overwatch forums, any discussion forum ever, etc all show you that you are supposed to use the voting system to upvote content that is contributing to a discussion and to downvote things like spam, off topic content, or misleading/wrong information.

macspam1 votes

{quoted}

Too bad that's all that gets upvotes around here anymore.

I swear, people need to stop using the downvotes to smother opinions they don't like. It was never intended to be that way on any platform. Reddit, Stack Overflow, Overwatch forums, any discussion forum ever, etc all show you that you are supposed to use the voting system to upvote content that is contributing to a discussion and to downvote things like spam, off topic content, or misleading/wrong information.

downvoted because this doesn't contribute to the discussion

doiminat0r36002 votes

I'm not sure how.

Downvote if you need to, but make sure it has a reason beyond "I personally don't like it."

Netorare8 votes

Riot doesn't want to acknowledge their mistakes and thats why they are going down more and more, they lose NOTHING if they would just accept that fact that they fucked up with the game balance and community. But hey, riot will keep running away from their responsibilities till the game will die and thats it. I still dont gey why some braindead bonobos defend riot when they add more braindead dmg and bullshit changes to the game, u get nothing by defending riot, you just ruin EVERYONE'S fun... League community wasn't this toxic before but riot decided it's a good idea to sell the playerbase for the money and make bullshit changes and then they wonder why the community is so toxic.

FOR JUSTICE5 votes

this entire thread has nothing to do with game balance, this thread is talking about this community being toxic.

Netorare3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nasus of midlane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6OrvPciO,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-12-16T16:14:28.870+0000)

this entire thread has nothing to do with game balance, this thread is talking about how this community is so toxic.

game balance = community at the moment, take it or leave its a fact... Bad game balance made the community extremely toxic and it's pretty obvious.

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

its not the worst game though.

worst game i ever played was the apollo justice ace attorney, OML that was sooooo terrible

jllemin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nasus of midlane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6OrvPciO,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-16T16:54:41.773+0000)

its not the worst game though.

worst game i ever played was the apollo justice ace attorney, OML that was sooooo terrible

It's also not the best game anymore when it use to be in multiple statistics.

Happy Love Pile2 votes

{quoted}

Riot doesn't want to acknowledge their mistakes and thats why they are going down more and more, they lose NOTHING if they would just accept that fact that they fucked up with the game balance and community. But hey, riot will keep running away from their responsibilities till the game will die and thats it. I still dont gey why some braindead bonobos defend riot when they add more braindead dmg and bullshit changes to the game, u get nothing by defending riot, you just ruin EVERYONE'S fun... League community wasn't this toxic before but riot decided it's a good idea to sell the playerbase for the money and make bullshit changes and then they wonder why the community is so toxic.

Something hilarious, the league community has ALWAYS been regarded as toxic. Back in s3 when I started, it was called toxic as well.

The community has always been this way

Madsin258 votes

The report system is flawed.

You can have a player be sitting in the fountain or another player actually trolling helping the team in NO way. (afk farming top, standing in the bush beside you watching you die spaming emotes)

You call them ANYTHING and you get punished.

The only trolls that get punished are the ones that actually quit the game. Which is not right.

Just knowing that their trolling is going to get punished in no way shape or form just makes you want to be even more toxic.

I mean my god this is a video game where we KILL people over and over, god forbid I call a troll bad.

DemonicDogyt2 votes

The problem with trolling is most of the time you can't really tell if the dude is trolling not paying attention or is just %%%%%%ed. Hell even if the dudes too tilted it could look like they are trolling

Larriet1 votes

I've been punished for intentional feeding because a teammate upset me with what they said (I was playing Udyr in ARURF and was feeding pretty badly since I was made to go midlane and didn't know my limits/didn't entirely care because hey it's URF) and I froze up, let go of my mouse, and died, just sitting there while I was being killed and that teammate furiously pinging over and over (at the time I didn't know how to mute someone).

I wasn't intentionally feeding that game, nor have I ever done it (I also haven't been punished since, of course), but the experience gave me more faith in the system than most because there were definitely reasons to believe "we can't know" and I was punished anyway, as I should've been.

rayzo8 votes

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I will always report when people say "gg ez". It's just demoralizing and mean to the other team, and server no other purpose.

Larriet1 votes

Of course, like anything, I think there's contexts where I don't mind it (like if the losing team says it, hey, funny guy :P). But people have to remember that saying mean things to strangers as a joke is completely indistinguishable from actually being mean. If the game goes an hour and the 25/2/12 Camille on the enemy team says "GG EZ" as a joke because the game was close and very difficult for her, it doesn't come off that way at all. So generally I don't report it because I assume it's a joke, but it's pretty upsetting regardless (I personally have stopped typing "gg" at all and just thank everyone for the game in the lobby).

Śhunpo3 votes

I have constructive critisism. Revert Runes Reforged. There, do I get some brownie points?

Fire Blaustoise3 votes

Reporting has also become rather excessive to the point of where people report someone on the enemy team who typed in "ez" at the end of a game they won. Now, I do not know what the average age of the LoL community is, how much it changed compared to the past, but all I personally ask for is that people start honoring more honestly, that people stop reporting as much because they felt hurt by someone pointing out to them their own mistakes.

I honestly report the guy saying EZ, even if he's on my side. for the mistakes thing : they can't even understand when they make mistakes, you can see this lot on this boards when lower post their "opinions".

To Riot Games, I wish you were more responsive, to more than just the pro player scene. From what I gather, most of the time you take your balance designs from statistics. You look at statistics of which champion is popular, which one is not and look at stats like "average damage" or "damage healed/mitigated" to adjust the champions to the meta to keep it healthy. And I am not going to say that that is the wrong approach. However, I wish of you to take the opinions of the community as a whole into consideration when designing new patches

I disagree. Their obsession with 50% is a big issue IMO. and taking opinions of the community would make this game even worse. Most of this community is composed of silvers and bronze. Majority dont understand this game (even in diams you have some of this kind... so imagine below). Most will be offended by this, but its the truth. Just look at this board, when they say x champ is balance most of time they only look at his wr or the champ is just trash (everything they dont play if trash is fine).

Tank Meta where every game was G2 vs Origen and would last for 70+ minutes, many people think that this meta of ending the game on 22 minutes because one team simply had more damage than the other because the other team chose to pick a tank is not good either.

Unpopular opinion : This meta is fine. The issue is the balance.

HÔPÊ2 votes

You are right on many things, also nice post.

Galaxyburstz1 votes
Exin01 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kristoph Gavin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6OrvPciO,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-16T15:24:27.235+0000)

Before anybody starts typing out hate comments about how I am wrong, about how my opinion doesn't matter because I am not Challenger smurf on three accounts, I ask of you to read this post in full. This is not a professional opinion of a high-ranking player, this is an opinion of a person who enjoys this game to its fullest, despite its flaws...

"Dear League of Legends community, first I want to thank you all. You are the reason this game keeps rolling after almost 10 years of non-beta uptime. You play this game, you come back to the game after a hiatus, you invite new people to this game and overall this game only exists because of people like you who truly enjoy it. Also a thanks to the team of Riot Games, you keep the game fresh. You introduce some new changes, revert to some old changes, you bring in new items, remove old items, rework champions, revert champions, everything to deliver us a new experience everytime we open the client to start a game every day.

With that said, none of us are above flaws. And I am here today to address these flaws. I do not mean to be harmful about any of us, all of us, players or developers, but I feel like there are some things that need to be said.

One of the things that annoy me the most is the unbalance when it comes to the report system. People used to be rather chill when they played the game some odd 5 years back. They could take honest criticism and were rather understanding. The people who were actually a negative influence to the community got swiftly reported and swiftly kicked out of our LoL apartment so we who were the better behaving part of the community could continue coexisting. Nowadays it's a bit more difficult. People aren't honest with their honorations anymore and only use those to get the sweet rewards at the end of every honor level. Reporting has also become rather excessive to the point of where people report someone on the enemy team who typed in "ez" at the end of a game they won while at the same time report those on their own team who only wished to provide honest criticism and offer improvement because they were too much getting in the way of their own playstyle and felt insulted. Now, I do not know what the average age of the LoL community is, how much it changed compared to the past, but all I personally ask for is that people start honoring more honestly, that people stop reporting as much because they felt hurt by someone pointing out to them their own mistakes.

My second topic of concern, while I am not at the negative behavior of the community overall, is the issue with both this board and the work of Riot Games.

To the people using this board, while it may seem hypocritical of me at first to make this claim, it appears to me that you use this place less to offer constructive comments to improve the game in it's overall state and rather take it as your personal therapy session to complain loudly about certain aspects of the game you personally find to be either unhealthy to the game or just something you personally can't stand. And while there are certain topics, like the current Damage Meta we find ourselves in, which are most certainly topics to discuss over, especially when someone brings in the topic of the old Tank Meta in comparison, this should be taken more as a place to discuss problematic aspects of the game for Riot Games and other players to see and give constructive input on. This shouldn't be a place where you loudly shout our your own opinion on something in hopes of finding other people who share your sentiment in order to start a witch hunt in an attempt to force Riot to change the game according to your designs.

To Riot Games, I wish you were more responsive, to more than just the pro player scene. From what I gather, most of the time you take your balance designs from statistics. You look at statistics of which champion is popular, which one is not and look at stats like "average damage" or "damage healed/mitigated" to adjust the champions to the meta to keep it healthy. And I am not going to say that that is the wrong approach. However, I wish of you to take the opinions of the community as a whole into consideration when designing new patches. As you can clearly tell, people are right now rather fed up over the Damage Meta. And while I am not going to offer the idea to just go back to the Tank Meta where every game was G2 vs Origen and would last for 70+ minutes, many people think that this meta of ending the game on 22 minutes because one team simply had more damage than the other because the other team chose to pick a tank is not good either. I like the idea of taking the game to an overall more flashy, explosive and faster approach. But in your typical fashion you went overboard with it. And as deep as we are into this meta right now, a few champion or item nerfs wouldn't solve it. I can't offer any direct ways of how to fix this but maybe you should think about how long you want to hear the people cry at your front door because of this.

Now, there is one last point to make. The one everybody knows, everybody thinks they are not part of and the point everybody thinks they are right in their way to do. People, please don't be as toxic as you are right now. I know it is a bit presumptuous to declare that everybody is part of the "MOBA communities are toxic" meme but I dare say that there are very few individuals who are not, at least once, falling into this mindset. I myself am somebody who tends to get themselves into the game a bit too much and when several unfortunate circumstances happen at once, I just can't help to get a bit "toxic" or "salty" too and that is fine, that is human behavior, to get frustrated over things we have no influence over. However, there is no need to vent this feeling out on your teammates, or the opponents. There is no logical reason to start insulting people, in which ever language, or to wish upon them very unfortunate circumstances in real life. There is always an alternative. Get a pillow to shout into when something like that happens. Get something you can punch to let it out, there is just no need to be angry at the other people in the game. And 80% of the time, it was your own fault. Lack of vision, bad positioning, missed skillshots, there is a multitude of reasons why something went wrong that you could have prevented. And instead of blaming your teammates or insulting your opponents, just let it out outside the game and reflect on what happened. I just want this game to be as enjoyable as it used to be and even if the people stay like this, I will continue to play this game because, at the end of the day, I am not playing this game for the community behind it, I play it for the game itself and the fun it brings.

I am not sure what I hope to achieve with this little statement. I suppose I just want to write a little letter to everyone who is interested enough to read this to think a bit about how the game is right now and what we all can do to improve on it. I'm sure there will be many people who will downvote this simply because. There will also be people who will ridicule me for wasting my time writing something of this length. I'm not sure anybody will agree with what I am saying here, I just hope you'll take some time out of your day, read this, think about it, and tell me what you think. Whether you are an active member of the Boards, just a stray gamer like me who just wanted to write something here or a Riot employee who got bored enough to sit through this, I just wanna say thanks, for reading this, and for letting your thoughts about it stick as a comment down below. Hope you have a nice day.[sg-ahri-2]

blame weak ranked system creating no incetive go really hard into, bad matchmaking in normals where five bronzes are put against diamond so not very chilling experience and nonexisting system suppresing bad behavior. if riot just disable ingame chat and put cap or CD on pings he actively remove 3/4 of toxicity from game and sorry riot chat is not used for tactic dialog but for berrating and pleading for report someone....

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