what is he meant to be? is he supposed to be a huge tank with cc and be an unstoppable wall or be an ap caster who does tons of dmg but cant face tank an entire teams rotation. Riot your need to make up your mind you cant have both, the way he is not is unacceptable he is a full tank who is able able to do 1000+ true dmg while having easily 4000+ hp he needs a hot fix and Riot needs to decide how this champion should be played
Hotaru is Waifu2 votesbut he never build ap not a single item other juggernauts build some ad at least
cho gath will build full tank and do 1000 dmg point and click it seems like hes a tank with a nuke for an r
jwebb01131 votescho is an AP juggernaut
cho dont do 1000+ true damage normaly ....
to do 1000+ true damage he would need to be lvl 16 with 3500 bonus hp.
his damage out put is 60% magic damage , 20% true
Paladin 0f Life1 votesthe amount of true damage on chogath is too damn high*
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Paladin 0f Life1 votesstop harassing me
jwebb01131 votesyou commented to me ...
i replied
Serika Zero1 votesname 1 juggernaut with hard CC (stun, knock-up, snares), outside of Cho
why I'm saying this? because this stupid class according to riot's own stupid classification is supposed to have: low mobility and no hard cc so that they are scary when they are up close to you, but can't get up to you to easily.
mitigated some of that problem
Cho having hard cc cleared the other problem
jwebb01131 voteshe has 1 cc his Q with is a skill shot with a delay
Serika Zero1 votesyes, you are right :) and that's why he was the mvp of world last year you are free to watch that, before he got nerfed big time
jwebb01131 voteswho was mvp of worlds last year?
are you speaking of cho ?
well i went and looked at the stats for all of season 6 pro play, cho was picked twice went 2-0
http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/stats.php?id=13&tournament=ALL&season=S6&split=ALL
Tenth Leper1 votesDarius pull is very much hard cc
Hotaru is Waifu1 votescho gaths easily get 3500 hp and can farm up and munch minions at late game adcs have no more than 1600 hp the enemy adc needs to be poked a little and he can flash r to munch them
jwebb01131 voteshow do you normally deal with slow moving big hp targets as an adc?
oh and what is the counter to true damage?
the answers are use your range and kite.... and build hp or idk a GA ...
he isnt walking up to people and doing 1700 damage just pressing R.
most of his kills comes from being in melee range after using his knock up and silence to get you to lower hp to execute with the R
Hotaru is Waifu1 votesi think he is too high
Done251 votesWhat makes you think he can't be both?
Hotaru is Waifu1 votesi didnt say he was doing 1700 dmg by pressing r lol hit ult does 1000 normaly during mid game and what hp items are adcs gonna get to not ruin their dps to other champs and he shines in team fights where he can use to run up on someone and stop all their dps because they have to deal with a 3500 hp cho that can do more than half their hp with r and when he pops 
hes not able to be killed so you have i think he should either be doing a lot of dmg or reduce his ult dmg and give him better cc he seems like a mix between burst mage and tank
Variks the Loyal1 votesHe's a Juggernaut.
He's very tanky and deals lots of damage, but he's extremely telegraphed and slow. Anything Cho'gath does can be avoided and outplayed, but Cho doesn't have any outplay potential of his own.
Hotaru is Waifu1 votesif cho gath is both is super tanky and can munch more than half of a carries hp with a click of a button i see a problem
Hotaru is Waifu1 votesthe problem is cho cant be bursted down easily when he extends even if he doesnt land anything he can walk up and munch a champ for more than half their hp if a mage taps you with one spell he can nuke you because adcs dont normally get more hp than 1600 1700 by late game
jwebb01131 votesif he is walking up to you then walk away from him
Hotaru is Waifu1 voteshe has a few tools to get to you 
and if your carries have to run away from a cho diving into the team its a problem they cant hit any important targets while hes walking into your adc the enemy carries get to beat on defenseless tanks and if the tanks try to cc cho gath to stop him thats cc being used on a tank instead of a carry
jwebb01131 votesright cuz no one else has flash or chained cc or dashes and other escapes
Hotaru is Waifu1 voteslol just wondering if you were smoking some of that good shit
Hotaru is Waifu1 votesi dont think you are understanding what im if a cho runs into an enemy team there is little a team can do other tanks cant do 1000 true dmg with one button he doesnt even need to kill the carry juts make them walk away from the fight so the tanks gets killed by the carries without having to worry about the other teams carry
jwebb01131 voteshe isnt a tank
he is an ap juggernaut
Hotaru is Waifu1 voteshe isnt a tank
he is an ap juggernaut
but juggernauts need to build some form of dmg to get going cho is a full tank champ that nukes with his r cho is not a juggernaut
jwebb01131 votesok GAREN his ult does damage even if he dont build damage
darius ult has true damage
mundo full tank build does a good amount of damage
and if you look at cho's average damage per game its about 15K which is low ... considering any type of damage or carry champ is all above 20K per game or more
Alex h87211 votesLmao, the cho gath circle jerk still going i see? When he had the interaction w/ stoneplate and could get 1.8k feasts i agree that was broken, but right now he's mostly fine.
jwebb01131 votesyet people are gonna cry cuz he does damage...
they cant seem to understand all champs do damage
Alex h87212 votesThe thing that really ticks me off, they always call him a "tank" but he is absolutely a juggernaut. He has all the things a jug has, good sustain (passive), low mobility, and high damage if he gets to melee range with you, can be kited fairly easily.
People mistakenly call him a "tank" because thats what he builds, but he lacks things tanks are supposed to have, which is some mobility, more reliable CC, and oh yeah ANY defensive steroids. But im pretty convinced the boards really don't care about the facts, they just want to complain.