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''just have better reaction time then rengar''

roflcopterssssss·12/30/2015, 4:38:44 PM·99 votes·8,325 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW_st2H2Y2Y

nearly perfect reaction time, still got rekt cuz entire burst is in 0.01 second

''but, just get like tahm to eat the adc''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHab82mY39s

yeah ain't no match for 0.01 second

''but just get a pink ward''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twEpW-aA9yU

have fun reacting to 1000 ms rengar

no I know what you're going to say ''but talon, but leblanc''

leblanc her burst has travel time, unlike that of rengar

talon has to use ult prematurely if he wants to go to their adc safely wasting damage, and even then you can probably still spot him, not to mention his stealth doesn't last as long as that of rengar making it less threathening.

all of this wouldn't be as big of a problem if we still had pink ward trinket and sweeper trinket which could detect stealth instead of merely showing the adc's imminent demise.

late game this becomes even worse, and don't give me your ''but late game rarely happens so it shouldn't be a problem'' that's a shitty reason, that's like giving a champion +1000armor, mr and health once the game passes the 60 minute mark, sure it rarely happens but when it does it sure is frustrating.

what also makes this a big problem is rengar his ms, mid/late game he has so much ms that by the time you see the ! above your head he's already on top of you.

I honestly can't think of any changes to him without making him either UP or OP, that's how rengar his kit is and why he needs a rework

158 Comments

Troiann12/30/2015, 6:41:31 PM26 votes

Take a look at that game. That rengar is full build, WITH an elixir at 35 minutes. If you gave that kind of shit to an orianna you would've lost too unless she sucks. It might feel less painful, but the same thing would've happened.

If Rengar really did have zero counterplay, he would be literally spammed in the LCS. Why isn't he? His laning relies on cheese strats and leaves him extremely vulnerable to ganks, his jungling is subpar and is only sort of reliable at level 6, and even then vi is a much more reliable champ.

Bring back trinkets and sweepers, but that's about it.

DarthSpectrum12/30/2015, 11:31:11 PM15 votes

The problem with Rengar is that his combo is literally too fast for human reflexes.

The average player needs 0.3 seconds to react against any visual stimulus. Some professional athletes may achieve a reaction time of 0.1 seconds if they are talented. Many designated hitters in MLB need to be able to react so quickly in order to hit 90 miles per hour balls.

However, Rengar is capable of assassinating his target in .01 seconds. A person with that fast reflexes will be able to see, comprehend, and react to something coming at him/her at 900 miles per hour. That is beyond human capabilities.

Even a Rengar who is not fed can delete an ADC in less than .3 seconds. With all his MS buffs late game and the fact that he can use his abilities before or during his jump, unless he is spotted with a pink ward first, there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop him besides using scripts.

Rengar's combo essentially has no counter play outside of spotting him with a pink ward. He is too fast to react against, and even if someone manages to act in time, most CCs have animation time. By the time the CC actually lands, the ADC would be dead regardless.

One can argue that other assassins such as Talon or LeBlanc is capable of doing the same thing. However, the key difference between them and Rengar is that Talon or LeBlanc needs to get there first and then kill you. Rengar does it on the way.

When Talon jumps on a target even if from his ultimate, a fast-fingered Leona might be able to stun him before Talon lands his Q. Likewise, a good Sona will be able to CC LB mid dash and the damage will not land. But with Rengar, even if you do somehow stop him mid air, the ADC is probably already dead.

Rengar is either going to be overpowered or underpowered. He will either kill the ADC, or he won't.

P0IS0N IVY12/31/2015, 1:51:53 AM8 votes

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Talon's silence taken away because he was too oppressive when fed? Rengar should also fall into this category then. He needs to be changed. There is no counterplay for any adc when you can barely react fast enough even with a ! above your head.

Even a Vayne who happens to have a pink ward must put down the ward, find him, and then condemn him before she maybe has the chance to live.

TeemoJenkins12/30/2015, 4:44:41 PM7 votes

Linking video clips of assassinations says nothing about how the game went before that point... if you feed ANY champion they will be over powered. I have yet to be in a game where Rengar was too hard to handle. Pink ward and a well timed juke neuters his damage, just like Zed or any other burst champ exhausting him takes him down a notch.

Spaceman5pff12/31/2015, 3:15:33 PM5 votes

http://cdn.niketalk.com/5/58/900x900px-LL-58cf3418_salt_intensifies.gif

insaiyanbacca1/1/2016, 12:10:25 AM3 votes

just pink ward the spear.

Ñapoleoni12/31/2015, 1:14:39 AM3 votes

Take away Rengar ability to one shot fine, but then your going to need to buff him again.

Seriously, one shotting your ADC is all Rengar can do, while champions like Zed and Leblanc have great wave clear, much more mobility, and a safer split push than Rengar.

Rengar is seriously a poorly designed cluster fuck of a champion that Riot has no idea what to do with. No matter what they do with Rengar , he will always have one stupid mechanic Riot can't do anything about without nerfing him into the ground.

I had an idea of perhaps turning Rengar into a snaring monster, but is built tanky. Think Rek'sai and her knockups.

TeemoXNidalee12/31/2015, 12:58:15 AM1 votes

The damage is only dealt when he hits you, just use your skills when he reveals himself (jump start). Rengar is fine and that's the only thing he can do, it used to be much worse when you didn't have the exclamation mark & he only revealed after the jump animation ended (much lower time to react).

If he was that broken he would have a much higher pick/win/ban rate.

Meanwhile Gangplank can instakill a whole team every 3 secs with his AOE true damage crits. And is sitting at 70%+ winrate on mains.

Shroom Junkie12/30/2015, 4:59:05 PM1 votes

Pink ward+Carry bodyguard(CC, not fucking Soraka...).