Thoughts and feedback on Kennen changes from a high elo OTP

The O King··23 votes·2,002 views

Hey guys I am a diamond 3 Kennen OTP from OCE. I am going to go over the changes from my perspective as a OTP ,hopefully I can give some insight into the kennen changes ,my feelings on them and give some feedback to riot. _ Passive - Mark of the Storm_

MARK DURATION 6.25 seconds ⇒ 6 seconds This isn't that big of a deal with the CDR on zhonyas and abyssal in most cases you can still double chain your "W". So in my eyes its not a terrible change.(Played around with it about and it feels alright)

REDUCED EFFECT WINDOW 7 seconds after last stun ⇒ 6 seconds after last stun No problem here, good stuff riot.

**ADDITIONAL STUNS 0.6 seconds ⇒ 0.5 seconds ** The .1 can defiantly add up in extended trades especially with you going all in. So I feel like in a high skill match up, the nerf here is between .4 and .5 seconds of your opponent unable to do anything gone, this isn't a huge deal, but 100% a nerf.

_ W - Electrical Surge_ **COST 45 energy ⇒ 40 energy ** The 5 energy reduction is cool but I don't see any really benefit to this honestly, I would have much rather seen reduced energy costs on his E

**RANGE 800 ⇒ 750 ** Ok this actually really annoyed me. Unjustified nerfs to his W is something no kennen main wants to see, its without a doubt his bread and butter, not only in lane but also during fights.

After playing with this nerf to his W I feel his old W was balanced quite nicely, this 100% needs reverted in my opinion, hell take the energy cost back and give us the range on his W instead because this is something I personally never want to see riot mess with ,I can understand his W is hard to balance between kennen having to commit too hard to use it or him abusing the range and never having to get close enough for counter play but this was never the case and was an unnecessary change. (His W was fine, no need to change it)

R - Slicing Maelstrom

DAMAGE 80/145/210 (+0.4 ability power) per bolt (unchanged) DAMAGE FALLOFF 25% per bolt (50% minimum damage) DURATION 3/4/5 seconds ⇒ 3 seconds at all ranks TICK RATE 0.25 seconds ⇒ 0.5 seconds MAX DAMAGE PER TARGET 240/435/630 (+1.2 ability power) ⇒ 300/544/788 (+1.5 ability power) EMP Each tick now strikes every target in the area, including minions and monsters **

Overall I think this was actually a decent change on riots part, the thing that I personally dislike about this change isn't the duration of the ult but the tick rate. My biggest issue with the tick rate is getting your stun off in fights and countering dives.

As kennen before you could flash ult W and have a stun in .5 seconds, now they have doubled that and made it so unless you have Eed your intended targets you have to wait 1 second before you get the stun, 1 second is a long time, this is a huge nerf to flash ult kennen flank engage and I wonder if its intended. In high elo its hard enough to get decent engages with kennen even with the 0.25 tick rate, high elo Janna and Alistair players can make kennen feel redundant.

TLDR: Revert the W range nerf, and maybe play around with the Tick rate for kennens ultimate and this change will actually have been petty good. I also like the item changes for kennen on that note GJ.

Thanks for reading.

13 Comments

TiniNinja5 votes

Couldn't agree with you more. I actually brought most of that up the day the balance team was doing Q&A on MYMU.

Also a Kennen main. Low elo though cause I havn't played for months, and I normally only did Teambuilder.

If your interested in their response check my forums history under Playtesting the Mage Update.

masc dom top3 votes

tldr: high elo otp wants his champ to be buffed

The O King2 votes

Pretty much this , kennen has been in a shit spot for a long time(Itemization mainly), the one time riot changes him they buff his ult, and fuck with his W even tho its never been a problem, from my perspective it just seem like they wanted to change some numbers.

Snake Town2 votes

You can tell this guy isn't from NA... where's all the hate and the raging????

The O King8 votes

Sorry, next time I post I will make sure to include more raging and shitposting, I might even get a reply from riot next time around.

Snake Town1 votes

Now you've got the hang of it! Welcome to NA :D (you fucken bronze scrub)

forresto2 votes

banned for insufficient salt

blueberrypancake1 votes

Ok although I was never a "real" Kennen main, as a scrub Silver player I always found it fun to play him ADC (And I played like 50 games as ADC Kennen last year with at least 60% win rate in Normals, u can check for yourself if you don't believe me). With this W change this significantly changes his lane harass capability in the bot lane. As most ADC's are like 550 range after hitting the AA the opponent now can almost walk out of the W range unless done immediately. Along with his base AD numbers and AS he will not be in the bot lane for at least 2 seasons (to never) even with a tiny niche of being a utility, on-hit, peeling, energy ADC.

DeathBurst1 votes

Side note: do you have an indicator to show you if you get the big or small stun, like for Nautilus/Braum Innate or Udyr Bear stance?

I never played Kennen, but I played against him a bit, and as I understood it, you'd never want to proc the small stun, you would be better off waiting for the debuff to disappear before procing another big stun. Am I mistaken?

The O King1 votes

Yes, you never hold for a big stun, if you can Q or W the opponent when its free damage then you need to** punish **it, don't waste your time thinking about the effectiveness of the stuns, if you know you can punish your opponent for not respecting your W range then go for 100% of the time.

DeathBurst1 votes

and what about an indicator? I'm still curious ^^

The O King1 votes

There is an indicator when you click on the enemy champion, they get a buff/debuff that's call diminishing returns or something like that, so unless you are actively clicking on the enemy there isn't really a way to tell unless you just count down in your head.

DreMLoK1 votes

bump and compltely agree with you, the range nerf on w is appalling

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