Why don't they put pro play (grandmaster+) get a different server so they can get patches that are specific to them so its fun and the rest of the people playing league don't have to suffer from their favorite champ now being garbage now because they want to make it "fair" for like the top 100 people that play league? That doesn't seem like a game-breaking thing to do, is it?
Jng Account3 votesNah, it's just way to execute your excuses, champs destroyed by proplay are countable on fingers of one hand, the current one are Galio, TK and maybe Kalista, rest are more like high elo problems, like Azir, Ryze, Akali, Sylas even Aatrox.
What Riot did for proplay that is unfair towards you(except 3-4 champs that are not as good)?
Jamaree3 votesBecause then they wouldn't have a place to practice outside of said test server and I doubt most of them would want to to jump through hoops just to practice.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesBecause then they wouldn't have a place to practice outside of said test server and I doubt most of them would want to to jump through hoops just to practice.
Maybe if LCS teams weren't so cheap they could hire a practice squad, like many actual sports.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-22T10:20:10.736+0000)
Maybe if LCS teams weren't so cheap they could hire a practice squad, like many actual sports.
I'm like, 99% sure that they make far less then the actual millions of dollars pro players make, but ok.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesI'm like, 99% sure that they make far less then the actual millions of dollars pro players make, but ok.
Exactly. Should be easy for LCS teams to hire a few extra players on the cheap for training if other sports can do it at much higher cost.
Or invite fans to practice against. That bolsters your stock while giving you a workout in the game! And it's free.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T10:27:26.323+0000)
Exactly. Should be easy for LCS teams to hire a few extra players on the cheap for training if other sports can do it at much higher cost.
Because they have more money to do so? LoL is big sure, because the NFL, NBA, NFL have entirely different amounts of capital, some teams alone have more money then entire countries. So expecting to get 5 players of decent skill and paying them wages to just practice isn't in the budget for most teams.
Or invite fans to practice against. That bolsters your stock while giving you a workout in the game! And it's free.
and what do the actual players get out of that, most of said teams fans aren't even a quarter of the skill of pros. It would be like Lebron going to play a pick up game to use that as practice.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesBecause they have more money to do so? LoL is big sure, because the NFL, NBA, NFL have entirely different amounts of capital, some teams alone have more money then entire countries. So expecting to get 5 players of decent skill and paying them wages to just practice isn't in the budget for most teams.
If the teams aren't making enough money to shell out five thousand dollars a year or so to help keep their stars sharp, the wealth of the LCS scene isn't matching its production level. The hype I see, the broadcasting, the stadium rentals... That all says to me that LCS teams should rightly be able to afford a few thousand dollars a year.
and what do the actual players get out of that, most of said teams fans aren't even a quarter of the skill of pros. It would be like Lebron going to play a pick up game to use that as practice.
Works for Kitasai Hōmen-gun. You're still keeping your skills sharp, even if you're just kind of having fun in the process.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T11:17:02.553+0000)
If the teams aren't making enough money to shell out five thousand dollars a year or so to help keep their stars sharp, the wealth of the LCS scene isn't matching its production level. The hype I see, the broadcasting, the stadium rentals... That all says to me that LCS teams should rightly be able to afford a few thousand dollars a year.
What world do you live in that you think five thousand dollars a year is enough to pay for 5 people to practice?
In fact, let's narrow it down and run the numbers a bit. Let's be generous and said that pros would need to practice only about 4 hours a day, and be even more generous and say that they get weekends off, so they practice 20 hours a week, even though it is likely more then that.
You get five players, so 1 k per person. There are 261, but let's be generous and say 260 work days in a year, or at least this one meaning each day they will be earning 3.85 cents per day. How is that even slightly realistic?
"Oh well, they should just do it at of the kindness of their hearts." I doubt people want to put themselves in a stressful situation, because practicing like that in preparation is stressful, not fun, just for the sake of it.
Works for Kitasai Hōmen-gun. You're still keeping your skills sharp, even if you're just kind of having fun in the process.
Who?
Zero Shingetsu1 votesWhat world do you live in that you think five thousand dollars a year is enough to pay for 5 people to practice?
In fact, let's narrow it down and run the numbers a bit. Let's be generous and said that pros would need to practice only about 4 hours a day, and be even more generous and say that they get weekends off, so they practice 20 hours a week, even though it is likely more then that.
You get five players, so 1 k per person. There are 261, but let's be generous and say 260 work days in a year, or at least this one meaning each day they will be earning 3.85 cents per day. How is that even slightly realistic?
Because it's not their career. It's bonus money for playing a video game.
Who?
My team. We win just fine with this method. I mean it's not League, but to be honest, it's more strategically demanding by far.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T11:45:37.131+0000)
Because it's not their career. It's bonus money for playing a video game.
Again, no one is going to put in a work's amount of effort...for 4 dollars a day, I don't know what world you live in that you think they will.
My team. We win just fine with this method. I mean it's not League, but to be honest, it's more strategically demanding by far.
What game is this, what level are you playing that?
Zero Shingetsu1 votesAgain, no one is going to put in a work's amount of effort...for 4 dollars a day, I don't know what world you live in that you think they will.
It's a hobby. Pay me $4 a day to play League for a few hours and I'd take that. I don't even like League all that much anymore!
What game is this, what level are you playing that?
I can't give the name because Riot's already warned me twice about posting Japanese text on the NA boards. As for level, you'd have to be more specific. My team's generally among the top three squads in Asia, if that's what you meant, and if you meant character level, 250 (which is the current cap).
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T12:44:31.825+0000)
It's a hobby. Pay me $4 a day to play League for a few hours and I'd take that. I don't even like League all that much anymore!
It wouldn't be a hobby, it would be work, playing at that level for that level of skill is work, as is practicing on that level.
I can't give the name because Riot's already warned me twice about posting Japanese text on the NA boards.
Ok yeah sure.
As for level, you'd have to be more specific. My team's generally among the top three squads in Asia, if that's what you meant, and if you meant character level, 250 (which is the current cap).
What is the name of the game you are talking about and are you playing at a pro level in said game, is there even a pro scene?
Zero Shingetsu1 votesWhat is the name of the game you are talking about and are you playing at a pro level in said game, is there even a pro scene?
I just told you I can't put it on the NA boards... I'm not risking a ban to prove something to a stranger.
Yes, there's a pro scene, why else would I bring it up for comparison? It's structured differently, though. Players earn winnings during tournament play based on individual performance, meaning the best of us actually make more for our championship games than most LCS champions, but the rest make less. We're almost competing against our teammates as much as we're competing against opponents. Yet in that demanding environment, this method of practice (along with others; it's not our primary method) hasn't steered us wrong yet.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T12:54:19.616+0000)
I just told you I can't put it on the NA boards... I'm not risking a ban to prove something to a stranger.
And you can't translate, again, yeah ok sure, I believe you.
Yes, there's a pro scene, why else would I bring it up for comparison? It's structured differently, though. Players earn winnings during tournament play based on individual performance, meaning the best of us actually make more for our championship games than most LCS champions, but the rest make less. We're almost competing against our teammates as much as we're competing against opponents. Yet in that demanding environment, this method of practice (along with others; it's not our primary method) hasn't steered us wrong yet.
Because the amount of skill, practice, and work it takes from being GOOD and pro is so vastly different. Congrats, your way works against other random teams, the fact that you guys aren't pro level with said work is more then enough of a showcase that they clearly don't work at the very best of the best.
I was good at SF4, I was the best El Fuerte in Georgia when the game was at its peak and all I did was play online, does that mean I was good enough to go to Evo, to beat Daigo? HELL fucking no, of course not, same concept.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesAnd you can't translate, again, yeah ok sure, I believe you.
I can translate it: Wolf Army, I guess, would be the best way to word it? But that's not exactly change anything regarding your disbelief, it's never had an English release.
Because the amount of skill, practice, and work it takes from being GOOD and pro is so vastly different. Congrats, your way works against other random teams, the fact that you guys aren't pro level with said work is more then enough of a showcase that they clearly don't work at the very best of the best.
I was good at SF4, I was the best El Fuerte in Georgia when the game was at its peak and all I did was play online, does that mean I was good enough to go to Evo, to beat Daigo? HELL fucking no, of course not, same concept.
Uh... When I said top 3 in Asia, I meant period, not among non-pros. We've been pro for four years. Again, why else would I bring it up here?
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5z96JTH6,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T13:08:04.753+0000)
I can translate it: Wolf Army, I guess, would be the best way to word it? But that's not exactly change anything regarding your disbelief, it's never had an English release.
Uh... When I said top 3 in Asia, I meant period, not among non-pros. We've been pro for four years. Again, why else would I bring it up here?
I'm sorry I'm not willing to believe you when you aren't willing to post a single game's worth of evidence, saying you won't give full information because of a rule I'm like 99% sure isn't true, and being vague as possible.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesI'm sorry I'm not willing to believe you when you aren't willing to post a single game's worth of evidence, saying you won't give full information because of a rule I'm like 99% sure isn't true, and being vague as possible.
I didn't think it was a rule either, but I've been warned twice for using Japanese on the English forums. I can see if it's still in my inbox if you like.
Edit: Looks like it's not since it was over a year ago. If you'd like to test it, drop some Chinese or Hindi in your posts at random a couple times, see if you don't get the same warning I did. I got the warning, looked for a rule, told them I couldn't find one, and then when I did it again a couple months later I got warned again. I'm not looking for a third warning. (Ironically, the second time, I was telling someone about another JPN-only game I play.)
Kai Guy1 votesAnd this was the wrong dude to reply to. Ignore that.
Kai Guy1 votesSo... ウルフ軍 ?
You could also just link to the games Wikipedia page, YouTube Video of the game, or the devs site.
Far as I can tell this requires very little effort to accomplish, little bit of typing, some Ctrl C then ctrl V.
Edit. Whopsie days. Replyed to the wrong poster it seems.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesOr invite fans to practice against. That bolsters your stock while giving you a workout in the game! And it's free.
Ah, yes, laning against people who are primarily iron-gold will definitely help them win.
Oh, wait, it won't. It'll, in fact, likely cause more harm than good, since they'll get risky plays in mind instead of actually good ones, since you can make riskier plays against people who have no idea how to counter them.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesAh, yes, laning against people who are primarily iron-gold will definitely help them win.
Oh, wait, it won't. It'll, in fact, likely cause more harm than good, since they'll get risky plays in mind instead of actually good ones, since you can make riskier plays against people who have no idea how to counter them.
As I said elsewhere, it works for my guys in a game that's far more strategically demanding than League. Things like planning, communication, "ishindenshin" (I'm not sure how to word it), mechanical prowess... None of that really requires strong opponents to refine, just repetition. The only thing strong opponents help hone are reflexes and adaptation skills, and it's not like this would have to be the only method for practice. For example, another method we use is skirmishes, where we go up against other pro squads without anything on the line. Just mutual practice for eachother against tough opponents. Don't see why that wouldn't work for LCS.
Zero Shingetsu1 votesYes. Thank you! This is actually exactly what a lot of games with a pro scene do. In fact, my current main game does this. Not only does it help me in tournament play, as I only have to learn new mechanics every few years, but it allows people who are just playing for fun to have a version of the game that's tuned for, well, fun as opposed to hardcore competition.
