is MMR still a thing?

octaveious·Oct 17, 2017·1 votes·718 views

just curious if MMR is still a system applied in game or not. If it is does it effect separately depending on if you play norms vs ranked, and does it work in conjuncture with ranked placements if it is used?

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sketchy1Oct 17, 20171 votes

yes it still exists. normals MMR and ranked MMR are separate, and MMR determines the teammates your matched with. with a high enough MMR, it is possible to skip leagues if say, you pair with a diamond player, but your in silver (assuming your mmr is high enough)

octaveiousOct 17, 20171 votes

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yes it still exists. normals MMR and ranked MMR are separate, and MMR determines the teammates your matched with. with a high enough MMR, it is possible to skip leagues if say, you pair with a diamond player, but your in silver (assuming your mmr is high enough)

so, essential my normals MMR "can" effect the outcome of my ranked MMR then?

Thank you for clarifying, wasnt to sure! =D

Nik NikersonOct 17, 20172 votes

No. The two are separate. The people you get matched with in norms are not the same as the people you get matched with in ranked.

Mysticman89Oct 17, 20172 votes

No, as they said, normals mmr and ranked mmr are separate.

The amount of (ranked) mmr you have relative to your rank is what determines your LP gain, and can result in skipping promo series or even divisions if it's way higher.

You can't actually duo with a diamond as a silver, so they're not quite right in that regard. That said, if you had a diamond friend who was playing on a gold rank smurf, but they'd been hard carrying all their games and actually do have a diamond mmr, duoing with them as a silver would put you in a game with like plat players, where victory would net you a lot of mmr. (Of course, the catch is you actually do have to win at that higher mmr for your own mmr to adjust towards it, if you're in over your head there you'll just lose a bunch for no benefit.)

sheldonbunnyOct 17, 20171 votes

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You can't actually duo with a diamond as a silver,

I've seen silvers and diamonds in the same games in flex. Riot's kooky matchmaking, etc.

Titanium70Oct 17, 20171 votes

Well - that's why Flex is pointless from an compeditive perspective.

MMR still works - but you cant create a system that allows silver to q with dia and than expect balanced games. That's impossible.

Flex is nothing more than a gloryfied normal. And soley exists since Riot never wanted to admit DynamicQ was a complete disaster, just like the removeal of Team-Ranked.

Just no idea why we need a special 3-Premade ranked mode . (Which is the ONLY feature that seperate Flex from a Solo/TeamQ system)

sheldonbunnyOct 17, 20171 votes

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Well - that's why Flex is pointless from an compeditive perspective.

MMR still works - but you cant create a system that allows silver to q with dia and than expect balanced games. That's impossible.

Flex is nothing more than a gloryfied normal. And soley exists since Riot never wanted to admit DynamicQ was a complete disaster, just like the removeal of Team-Ranked.

Just no idea why we need a special 3-Premade ranked mode . (Which is the ONLY feature that seperate Flex from a Solo/TeamQ system)

I definitely wish it was more stabilized. It's matchmaking has been all over the place this season.

One point of contention, flex has 3 and 5 man capability, since they did away with the team one, etc.

Mysticman89Oct 17, 20171 votes

You can't duo as diamond ranked flex player with a silver ranked flex player, but you can duo as a silver ranked flex player who happens to be diamond in ranked solo/duo with a silver ranked flex player who happens to be silver in ranked solo/duo.

Normals MMR, ranked solo/duo MMR, and ranked flex 5v5 (and ranked flex 3v3) all have their own mmrs, and rank restrictions depend on the specific queues ranks.

The issue with flex is since it started off as a complete mess, so almost everyone put their time/effort in ranked solo/duo, so at this stage of the season many peoples skill level is roughly in line with their solo/duo mmr. People didn't put effort into flex, and increasingly treated it as a joke queue, so people mostly never played it, so peoples flex mmrs for the most part have nothing to do with their actual skill level, which make people treat it less seriously and the cycle continues.

I feel like if everyone actually took flex seriously and grinded out a bunch of games flex would start to feel better as peoples MMRs and skill levels began to better match (which would take a lot of games due to all the variance introduced from premades of mixed skill levels), but I don't know if theres any way they can get the community on the whole to do that without disabling solo/duo entirely, and then we're left with the dynamic queue fiasco of last year.

sheldonbunnyOct 18, 20171 votes

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You can't duo as diamond ranked flex player with a silver ranked flex player, but you can duo as a silver ranked flex player who happens to be diamond in ranked solo/duo with a silver ranked flex player who happens to be silver in ranked solo/duo.

Normals MMR, ranked solo/duo MMR, and ranked flex 5v5 (and ranked flex 3v3) all have their own mmrs, and rank restrictions depend on the specific queues ranks.

The issue with flex is since it started off as a complete mess, so almost everyone put their time/effort in ranked solo/duo, so at this stage of the season many peoples skill level is roughly in line with their solo/duo mmr. People didn't put effort into flex, and increasingly treated it as a joke queue, so people mostly never played it, so peoples flex mmrs for the most part have nothing to do with their actual skill level, which make people treat it less seriously and the cycle continues.

I feel like if everyone actually took flex seriously and grinded out a bunch of games flex would start to feel better as peoples MMRs and skill levels began to better match (which would take a lot of games due to all the variance introduced from premades of mixed skill levels), but I don't know if theres any way they can get the community on the whole to do that without disabling solo/duo entirely, and then we're left with the dynamic queue fiasco of last year.

I wasn't bringing up duoing with diamonds. It's the fact that diamonds are actually getting grouped in with silvers at times, as in diamond in flex. It's rarer than the start of the year, but still happens. However, it still is unbalanced that solo diamond players with lower flex rank are still also getting put into the games.

I will agree flex is not taken very seriously. I just think of it as another ranked queue personally, but there are definitely those that treat it little above a normal.

Mysticman89Oct 18, 20171 votes

Yeah, part of the early insanity of flex was a bug that affected some people so some players started flex with 0 MMR, so that they could go 10/0 and place bronze 5, meanwhile people who weren't affected were getting placed at relatively high ranks since apparently rank placement looks at relative mmrs of the playerbase rather than having predefined mmr brackets corresponding to each tier.

A side effect of that is that theres people with ranks much higher than their mmrs (and corresponding skill levels) would actually suggest, just since the MMR standards for each tier have since shifted upwards.

(I for one was placed plat 1 in flex. I think I peaked at plat 3, maybe plat 2, in dynamic queue last year, and only did maybe slightly above average in placements, certainly not a 10-0 thing, so I was rather surprised.)