Upgrading Aegis to Banner makes the aura radius HALF THE SIZE - why?!

NickCage69·May 13, 2015·45 votes·16,653 views

Is this intentional? I can't think of many other items where stats get worse when you pay 1.5k gold to upgrade them -_-

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29 Comments

RiotMeddlerMay 13, 201554 votes

Huh. I'm guessing that's just an issue with the indicator, not the actual aura itself. Will find out tomorrow though.

AlljoyMay 13, 201510 votes

I reckon it's the indicator of the active and not the actual aura.

Khell DarkWolfMay 13, 201530 votes

The ring indicator should probably be updated with a dual ring, One with a full color white indicator ring for the active range with a semi transparent ring for the aura range to distinguish the two.

Think of like Varus Q or Xerath Q, it shows the minimum range and the maximum in a grey out circle

AlljoyMay 13, 20154 votes

Would be a nice QoL buff, yeah.

RiotMeddlerMay 13, 201517 votes

Yup, that's what's going on, the aura's the same range for both items. Also just checked and we can't add a dual aura on mouseover to an item at present. The active range is the one that's shown since that's the one with more deliberate action on the owner's part attached to it.

AlljoyMay 13, 20151 votes

Oh well, thanks for the clarification. o/

RetillinMay 13, 20152 votes

Is there a reason why the range on the active can not be increased? It doesn't seem like it could be abused, unless I am missing something huge.

RiotMeddlerMay 14, 201512 votes

That seems reasonable, removes a small point of confusion and makes Banner a bit smoother to use. We'll throw that change in.

Locket by contrast has more of a power implication to the activatable effect's range. Going to leave that one as is as a result.

Sinister SnailMay 14, 20158 votes

And they say riot doesn't listen to the players.

lostbob117May 14, 20152 votes

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That seems reasonable, removes a small point of confusion and makes Banner a bit smoother to use. We'll throw that change in.

Locket by contrast has more of a power implication to the activatable effect's range. Going to leave that one as is as a result.

Can we buff Botrk's active range also. It's less than Cutlass's. :^)

RiotMeddlerMay 14, 20155 votes

We've actually got a buff to just that being tested at the moment (trying BotRK at 550 again instead of 450). We originally nerfed the range when the active was more powerful, now that it's weaker however we want to see if we can get away with putting the range back up, make it a bit smoother to use.

HellioningMay 14, 20158 votes

Why are we buffing bork. It's already a stupidly loaded item it does not need to be more loaded.

Chromatic EagleMay 14, 20156 votes

How do you feel about it as an item? Do you believe there are too many stats on it? Isn't it the DFG of AD champions?

Solidair3May 14, 20151 votes

That seems like it should be fairly simple. you've made customers indicators in the past (Diana Q, etc) so what is the problem?

RiotMeddlerMay 14, 20156 votes

Custom indicators are pretty straightforward, turns out we've never added a lot of the functionality we've got for spell indicators to items however. That's probably a small ish sized job for an engineer, that's then a trade off versus other features we could put that engineering time into instead though (the ability to make new types of visual effects like Ekko's ult trail, UI updates like the extra mouseover info on the friends list, tools updates to help prevent bugs being created etc).

HellioningMay 14, 20157 votes

I'd rather have custom indicators than the completely useless information about what my friends have been playing recently.

Solidair3May 14, 20151 votes

Ah, I guess I never thought about it as items vs spells. Well, it's not a huge deal, I'm sure you guys will get around to it eventually.

JambulijaMay 14, 20151 votes

Yes it is, i checked it with a friend, after the upgrade it shows the target area for the active, friend out side the area still gets the passive.

Duke AnaxMay 13, 20154 votes

It's the indicator.

Aegis is showing the indicator for the Legion Aura, because it got no active. Banner is showing the indicator for the Promote Active. Locket has the same issue btw, showing the indicator for the Shield Active.

Ideally there should be a way to show both Areas. Or even better make them the same range. There is a Clarity issue where people that got the Aura don't get the Shield.

I think there are more items and also some abbilities with two effects that have the same issue.

StaconaMay 15, 20152 votes

Its the active range, the aura range is waaaay bigger

NickCage69May 13, 20158 votes

OH the banner indicator is for the minion upgrade active ability then? That makes a lot of sense, really threw me off though. I thought i was sacrificing aura strength by upgrading Aegis into Banner.

AlljoyMay 13, 20153 votes

Just checked, the indicator seems to be for the active, so I guess the only thing you seem to lose on upgrade is the indicator for the aura.

DraykowMay 13, 20152 votes

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OH the banner indicator is for the minion upgrade active ability then? That makes a lot of sense, really threw me off though. I thought i was sacrificing aura strength by upgrading Aegis into Banner.

They should add multiple rings for items that have multiple ranges. Maybe they could color code them so that the passive is written in a different color and has a different colored range than those of the active.

Another example would be the chase range for Righteous Glory. I never know if activating it will actually give me a speed boost or not.

SageaceMay 13, 20153 votes

It needs dual ring indicator, or... QoL buff. Maybe all items should, both "passives" and "actives" rings.

Starkiller X51May 14, 20152 votes

"I can't think of many other items where stats get worse when you pay 1.5k gold to upgrade them -_-"

well shiv loses the avarice passive from avarice blade when you upgrade it, id love if that got changed, maybe give pd some extra stats to give the two a bit more difference other then "more stats or lighting bolt"

The5lackerMay 13, 20151 votes

Ring indicator is showing you the targeting radius of the ACTIVE ABILITY. You know, the promote thing that Banner has that's the big reason for purchasing it?