NERFED TO THE GROUND (elise)

11PHOENIX FIRE11·Jan 7, 2015·23 votes·4,507 views

Elise was once a really great and fun champ that was used in pro and non pro games a lot and indeed she needed some nerfs; but still as a high skilled champ she was nerfed so hard that now she has one of the lowest win rates in the game. Her concept of being a squishy and tricky champ makes sense but i think she needs to be more like lebanc or zed. Lebanc and Zed are both higher skilled champs that are worth the time to get better with as Elise is just not. Its really unfair to NERF a champ so hard that they just do not matter anymore! PLZ Riot Help one of the funniest champ in the game be back in the game.

19 Comments

coppinslingerJan 7, 20159 votes

The itsy-bitsy spider Climbed up the water spout Down came the nerfs And beat the spider to a mushy pulp Out came Lee Sin And laughed the day away And the itsy-bitsy spider Was never seen in competitive or casual play ever, EVER again

Here lies Elise, May she find piece in Olaf'd-Heaven
Jungler, Season 3 and early Season 4

Get RekkktJan 7, 20154 votes

problem for nerf was when they did the 3-1-1 starts and took early towers because she was a ranged jungler, then they nerfed her, then nerfed towers for that strat then just forgot about her

never really liked player her myself but at the same time, thats pretty fucked up lol

Subject 5Jan 7, 20153 votes

LeeSin I don't see what is wrong with that.

EllaRyu69Jan 7, 20153 votes

i agree she needs just a buff or two to migate the nerfs

ZirzonJan 7, 20153 votes

Spiders scare Riot. Elise

And I think the biggest issue is that Elise scales terribly with damage into late game. They should reduce her base damage, and increase her scaling. Worse base damage should stop her from building straight tank as often (which I don't feel fits her), and higher scaling will make it worth building AP (which currently doesn't do enough to be worth it).

seylinyaJan 7, 20153 votes

Evelynn says hi. both champs got hit hard. they do need rework.

JamareeJan 7, 20152 votes

Didn't the community beg for her to be nerfed into the ground?

I Kill CommiesJan 8, 20151 votes

Yes, but nobody here wants to hear that.

Remember, the league forums are never wrong. Anybody that disagrees with whatever is cool to complain about right now doesn't deserve a say. Right now it's trendy to complain that elise was nerfed too hard, even though as soon as she was nerfed the forums were full of threads talking about how happy they are that elise is finally nerfed.

Better not interrupt this particular circlejerk, everyone here is too busy upvoting each other's worthless opinions on game balance.

ZedexJan 7, 20152 votes

They can't, their new edgy S5 jungler just got released, they have to pull a thresh with Rek'sai(that is, tweak for over a year and the same results, pick or ban because the kit) before they even think about Elise.

Kowe The EwokJan 7, 20151 votes

Having % max damage and a finisher in the same kit is toxic.

She needs a reworked. Number chances can't fix her.

Third ReignJan 7, 20155 votes

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Having % max damage and a finisher in the same kit is toxic.

She needs a reworked. Number chances can't fix her.

Well the ability is called Neurotoxin... And just for comparison, Elise has to pay 80-100 mana on a 6 second cooldown for what Blade of the Ruined King has as added passive on basic attacks. The Magic base damage is also less than any of a Bork-empowered AA would do. She can cast 4 Neurotoxins at level1 and is then OOM. One spell rotation (QWE) at lvl3 uses 48% of her manapool.

I would like her Rappel to be increased again so she can do her old jungle hops again, and fix the bugs attached to it.

I also don't understand why turrets favor targeting spiderlings before creeps.

Ahri, Syndra, LeBlanc, Lux, and Xerath all have better armor scaling than Elise, her human form spell range is 40%+ shoter than those other mages offer on their damage spells. For her to survive close combat, building tank is a necessity, not an option. Getting to decent AP values to make use of her 3%health per 100ap boni is very difficult.

I'm not saying old Elise was fine, but some nerfs went a bit overboard and a little love should be given to our favorite netcrawler. I don't believe compensating the %health damage cap on jungle monsters due to general health increase of creeps is enough in that regard.

11PHOENIX FIRE11Jan 10, 20151 votes

perfect

MetalGearTeemuJan 7, 20151 votes

Elise got olafed because of her unrivaled tower diving ability. Elise put pressure on the top lane at tower even when they were at high health, since her high damage, mobility, cc and ability to drop tower aggro instantly allowed for kills under tower that are simply impossible with any other jungler.

Glory to GodJan 7, 20151 votes

Elise, um.. is a great champ only if the enemy team is outplayed using some rather shetty tricks. Otherwise, she is um.. like a Tristana without IE. I have to make an objecition, though. LeBlanc is a high skilled champ? WHAT? The player only mustn't be an idiot in order to Q-R-W the enemy adc. ZED? Last time I played Zed I was pressing random buttons and killed the enemy. Only my opinions.

OpistachJan 8, 20151 votes

What about Zac? SRS

JamareeJan 8, 20151 votes

I'm sorry, I know I was downvoted for this once but seriously, go back and check when she was strong, the forums were outright raging about how strong she was, how she was the only viable jungler, how even when she had a low win rate, how she needed to be nerfed to oblivion. Now that she has been...people are literally flipping and saying "Oh, it isn't that bad, we didn't ask for her to be nerfed into oblivion, why does Riot keep nerfing champions to oblivion." Or are we really going to act like this didn't happen...again?

futuresight23Jan 8, 20152 votes

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I'm sorry, I know I was downvoted for this once but seriously, go back and check when she was strong, the forums were outright raging about how strong she was, how she was the only viable jungler, how even when she had a low win rate, how she needed to be nerfed to oblivion. Now that she has been...people are literally flipping and saying "Oh, it isn't that bad, we didn't ask for her to be nerfed into oblivion, why does Riot keep nerfing champions to oblivion." Or are we really going to act like this didn't happen...again?

Waiting for that thread demanding for more Elise nerfs once the LCS starts up again. Assuming the forums aren't spammed to death by Lee Sin threads.

JamareeJan 8, 20151 votes

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Waiting for that thread demanding for more Elise nerfs once the LCS starts up again. Assuming the forums aren't spammed to death by Lee Sin threads.

I'm waiting for the moment Riot says fuck it finally does nerf Lee sin to the ground and people like this flip. I'm calling bullshit on everyone.

AbyssphereJan 8, 20151 votes

I don't get comments about people wanting nerfs meaning they can't want buffs now. Elise was absolutely deserving of nerfs in the past, Riot just went too far with them and people want her to be pushed back a little bit.

I mean you can't really compare season 4 Elise to season 5 anyway, because the jungle is an entirely different beast now. And the changes haven't favoured her at all.